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Some Diddy-biddy on the BBC News channel just asked an interviewee how something or other would affect the heterosexual community.  The what? 

I'm a heterosexual. How come I never heard of this community before? Why don't they send me the newsletter? Why don't I get invited to meetings? Where's my club badge? 

Who's our convenor? Peter Stringfellow?  Katie Price?

I want to get out and meet my fellow-heterosexuals. I want to take tea with them. I want to discuss all the pressing concerns we have in common.

What lazy, nonsenical stuff all this talk of "community" is.  The Muslim community, the Chinese community, the gay community, the black community: none of these really exists.

Date: 2008-11-30 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-redrain.livejournal.com
Isn't the "heterosexual community" the dominant one? (Heteronormative, is the word, I think.) I always thought the other communities you mention were attempts to carve out their own spaces within (or against) the dominant one.

Date: 2008-11-30 03:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] heleninwales.livejournal.com
I think [livejournal.com profile] polphilo's argument is that they're not communities. If there is a Muslim community, does that make me a member of the Buddhist community or the female community?

Perhaps the meaning of the word is changing, but I still prefer the original meaning of, "a group of interacting people living in a common location."

Date: 2008-11-30 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-redrain.livejournal.com
I understand his point about the communities, but I do think they exist, at least to a degree, in our imaginations (pulling from Benedict Anderson, there).

Membership in communities is fluid, so to answer your question, I would say "yes" to all three, though that would depend on your choosing to be parts of those communities and those communities' acceptance of your membership.

I'm also thinking about this idea from a U.S. perspective; cultural theory in the U.K. differs from cultural theory here.

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Date: 2008-11-30 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Heterosexuals form the majority, but not a community. Community implies intimacy, closeness. Communities are necessarily small. A community consisting of millions of people is a contradiction in terms.

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Date: 2008-11-30 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] richenda.livejournal.com
Was it asked with tongue in cheek?
Had the interviewee mentioned "the homosexual community"?

Date: 2008-11-30 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I don't think it was tongue in cheek. The subject was too serious for that. It was in the context of a discussion of AIDS.

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Date: 2008-11-30 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ideealisme.livejournal.com
It could be that "community" implies shared understandings and common concepts among its members.

For example the question, "Ladies, do you plan to change your name on marriage?" could be said to be primarily aimed at straight women rather than gay women. It would be an understood norm within the heterosexual community.

The fact that heterosexuality is a dominant trope might blind us (there's that tricky word, "us"!) to the understanding that not all these common, shared beliefs are, in fact, common shared beliefs.

Date: 2008-11-30 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Exactly. When I'm told that some community that I might be supposed to belong to thinks this that or the other, my usual response is, "Well, I don't".

I'm an instinctive contrarian.

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Date: 2008-11-30 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veronica-milvus.livejournal.com
Not any more! The gay ones are getting married too!

Date: 2008-11-30 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfshift.livejournal.com
The one I loathe is "the international community", which crops up in the news from time to time. I have no idea whom it comprises.

Date: 2008-11-30 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
It's one of those phrases that sounds grand and important, but means absolutely nothing.

Date: 2008-11-30 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mummm.livejournal.com
How ridiculous! Don't you just love the people who have the ability to communicate to the public and do so in such an ignorant way?

Date: 2008-11-30 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I shout at the TV a lot. People in positions of influence say the stupidest things.

Date: 2008-11-30 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airstrip.livejournal.com
I am of the opinion that there simply are no heterosexuals in Britain. You have asexuals, homosexuals and closeted homosexuals.

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Date: 2008-11-30 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
It's an intriguing hypothesis.

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Date: 2008-11-30 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nostoi.livejournal.com
Hahahahaha

You could be right.

Date: 2008-11-30 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haikujaguar.livejournal.com
I love this post.

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Date: 2008-11-30 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] algabal.livejournal.com
Spot-on as usual!

Date: 2008-12-01 10:11 am (UTC)

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