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"Spectacles, testicles, watch and wallet."

Ailz comes across this mantra in a novel she's reading where the narrator speaks of it having "religious connotations".

"Religious connotations?" She turns to me.

I know the phrase as the refrain of a poem by some author who's name I forget. I'd thought he'd originated it. Apparently not; it seems to be something they say in Yorkshire.

But religious connotations?

An idea begins to dawn- and I stand up to try it out- with sweeping hand movements, pointing to the items in turn.

Spectacles, testicles, watch and wallet.

It's a mnemonic for making the sign of the cross.

Go on, try it yourself....

Date: 2016-12-30 04:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] strange-complex.livejournal.com
Obvious point: it's a mnemonic for men to make the sign of the cross.

Date: 2016-12-30 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Yes.

As a woman you could replace testicles with ovaries but I'm not sure what you'd do about the wallet.

Date: 2016-12-30 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shewhomust.livejournal.com
I know it as "...wallet and watch" and like the scansion of this better: I'm assuming that there's no rule that says you have to make that horizontal in either direction? In any case, I wear my watch on my right hand...

Date: 2016-12-30 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I suppose the horizontal can go either way. I don't wear a watch but I do carry my wallet in my right hand trouser pocket.

Date: 2016-12-30 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] d-floorlandmine.livejournal.com
I think, when originally coined, it referred to pocket watches, rather than wrist.

Date: 2016-12-30 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
If it's been round a while that would have to be the case.
When did wrist watches come in? Early 20th century?

Date: 2016-12-30 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] d-floorlandmine.livejournal.com
Yep. I think they started to become used by the military in the late 19th, and then took off following WWI.

Date: 2016-12-31 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shewhomust.livejournal.com
That makes sense. I'd been thinking something similar about the wallet - that I'd been thinking of it as being in the breast pocket.

Date: 2016-12-30 09:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] akirlu.livejournal.com
I, too, have always heard it as "wallet and watch," which definitely has a better rhythm to it than the reverse. I've always presumed it dated back to Edwardian times or earlier, in that it seems to assume that you would be carrying your wallet and watch in opposite interior coat pockets at more-or-less nipple level.

Date: 2016-12-30 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
I first ran across it as a Jewish joke- told me by a Jewish friend years ago.

Date: 2016-12-30 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Presumably they weren't using it to make the sign of the cross.

Date: 2016-12-31 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
But the joke is that the Jewish guy in question has a Catholic friend who wonders what he is doing!

Date: 2016-12-31 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
So do you think this is the origin of the saying?

Date: 2016-12-31 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
I guess it might be!

Date: 2016-12-30 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com
I get stuck at the testicles.

Reminds me of a friend's borrowed/adapted remembrance of what to make sure you have leaving your drug-addled NYC apartment: dick, wallet, keys, drugs. Friend was dickless, so she (and I) treated that item as "yer basic physiognomy", and for me "drugs" was whatever particular psychological assistance things I'd need that day.

Date: 2016-12-30 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I can see the use of some such mnemonic. I sometimes go out without my painkillers- and that's not a good idea.

Date: 2016-12-30 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] learnsslowly.livejournal.com
I think a pocket watch is intended, rather than than a wrist watch.

Date: 2016-12-30 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Probably so, but either way you'd expect to find it on the left side of the body.

Date: 2016-12-30 09:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] akirlu.livejournal.com
I don't see why the watch would necessarily be on the left side if both watch and wallet were located in interior coat pockets. Once divorced from the wrist, handedness seems irrelevant to location.

Date: 2016-12-31 09:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
If you're right-handed- as most people are- I suggest it's marginally easier to extract a watch from the left-hand breast pocket.

Date: 2017-01-01 09:58 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ylla.livejournal.com
But a real old fashioned watch on a chain would be easier to get from your right hand waistcoat pocket!

Date: 2017-01-01 10:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
You are probably right. I've been looking at pictures of men with pocket watches- and most of them- including Edward VII- are carrying them in the right hand pocket of their waistcoats.

Date: 2017-01-02 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huskyteer.livejournal.com
I knew this. Why? Because it's in Nuns On The Run.

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