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 I'm sorry the Bigfoot in the freezer turned out to be a gorilla suit. The hoaxers- who to judge by their videos are a couple of the dumbest bubbas going- have made monkeys of us all. According to today's reports they sold the freezer and its contents to a bunch of scientists for good hard cash before hightailing it back to the woods of Georgia. So, maybe not so dumb after all.

I can't be angry. Not really. We need our tricksters. They stir the pot. They keep things interesting.

But here we are- back where we started- Bigfoot is a cryptid again. And how likely was it really that something that big and lungeous would be wandering around the Southern United States without someone shooting it or trapping it or coming up with incontrovertible proof of its existence? The Pacific Northwest, maybe, the Himalayas, even more likely- but Georgia? Or is Georgia a lot wilder and craggier than I think it is?

Even so, lots of people- not tricksters but solid citizens- keep on seeing and hearing these things. They're like lake monsters.  Just as every large body of water in the northern hemisphere harbours a cousin of Nessie, so every sizeable wilderness has its scary man-apes. There's always just enough evidence - sightings, stray hairs, footprints- to keep the files open, but never enough to close the case.

It's like some cosmic trickster is teasing us, leading us on, playing silly-bugger games.
 
I read a book once by Loren Coleman and somebody else which took the Jungian line. Cryptids are archetypes, emerging so forcibly from the collective unconscious we think we're actually seeing them. I'm half-persuaded, but it's not science, is it? All it does is replace one mystery with another.

Maybe what they really are is ghosts. 

Date: 2008-08-20 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] idahoswede.livejournal.com
It would be especially hard to keep something like that undiscovered in the South, given that every other person over the age of 10 is probably armed and shooting at anything that moves.

Date: 2008-08-20 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mummm.livejournal.com
Ack! What an image of the south.

Date: 2008-08-20 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Sorry.

It's a stereotype. But I guess, as with all stereotypes, there's some truth in it.

Cousins of Nessie

Date: 2008-08-20 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bodhibird.livejournal.com
Here on the Chesapeake Bay we have "Chessie". You doesn't hear a lot about Chessie sightings, but at the Inner Harbor here in Baltimore there are paddleboats in the shape of green and purple Chessies that you can rent. :-)

Re: Cousins of Nessie

Date: 2008-08-20 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Oh yes, I'd like to take a ride in one of those...

Date: 2008-08-20 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] algabal.livejournal.com
I like the idea that Bigfoot is an emanation from the deepest depths of our consciousness.

Date: 2008-08-20 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Me too.

There have been wild men in the woods as far back as memory goes. I think the fauns of antiquity are ancestors- earlier versions- of Bigfoot and his friends.

Date: 2008-08-20 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oakmouse
Georgia has a lot of backwoods, but it's not particularly craggy and it does have a lot of hunters.

The PNW is very craggy and has more than a lot of backwoods (until we cut them down) as well as a lot of unusual species --- but also a lot of hunters in some areas, and a lot of loggers and salal harvesters and mushroom hunters and other people who make a living of sorts off of the backwoods. If there's any chance that bigfoot is real and actually exists in remote mountain hideaways, I'd think the North Cascades would be the most likely region; that or somewhere around here, in the maze of mountain rangelets that collide and split and collide again along the Oregon/California border.

On the other hand, "ghost" seems as likely as anything.

Date: 2008-08-20 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Or maybe a nature spirit.

And yet I've not given up hope of something "real" turning up. I understand scientists are even now testing some very curious hairs that were retrieved from a forest in south East Asia.

Date: 2008-08-21 02:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chochiyo-sama.livejournal.com
I think they are exceptionally tall men who have overdosed on Rogaine and gone too far with the "Hair Club for Men" thing.

mwa ha ha!

Date: 2008-08-21 11:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
And so ashamed of the way they look they've hidden themselves in the woods...

Date: 2008-08-21 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chochiyo-sama.livejournal.com
It makes perfect sense to me....

Date: 2008-08-21 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michaleen.livejournal.com
The Appalachian Mountains extend into north Georgia. While certainly not as rugged as the Pacific Northwest, an elusive critter would have plenty of places to hide, should it wish to remain hidden.

In western Virginia, we have mountain lions, though officially the government claims they do not exist here. I have seen a full-grown adult myself. Despite a large number of enthusiastic hunters in this neck of the woods, none of the reports I've heard have come from them, or at least no reports of sightings while they were actively hunting for game. Bears, yes, but not cats. The analogy isn't too terribly bad, especially considering this particular hominid, if indeed it has a physical existence, is thought to be very shy about making its presence known, even more so than the big cats.

This is all theoretical, of course. While I've found the reports of Bigfoot intriguing, I remain skeptical. It's sort of like UFO sightings. There are lots of detailed reports from credible witnesses and no reason a priori to doubt what they say. This does not mean, however, that there's necessarily a physical reality to their experience, as in the usual interpretation that the earth is routinely visited by little green men from Alpha Centaurii.

Date: 2008-08-21 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
If Bigfoot is as smart as a gorilla or chimpanzee it's smart enough to keep out of our way.

That's interesting about the mountain lions.

I think the analogy with UFOs is fair. I remember reading a very weird eyewitness account (probably from the Coleman book) which had apemen, black dogs and an UFO all appearing in the same place (a backwoods farm) over a period of hours.

Date: 2008-08-22 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michaleen.livejournal.com
I have a vague memory of similar links between bigfoot and UFOs, but no idea from where. I suspect it's from something read in Robert Anton Wilson's books.

Just now, I googled "coleman bigfoot" and happend upon a book in which he wrote about "phantom panthers". Small world, eh?

Drifting off topic ever so slightly: If you haven't read it and can lay hands on a copy, Jacques Vallée's, Dimensions: A Casebook of Alien Contact, is one of the finest treatments of the UFO phenomenon I've ever read. The parallels he draws between alien abduction and traditional encounters with the fairy folk are alone worth the price of admission.

Date: 2008-08-23 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Thanks for the tip. I googled Vallee- and spent the evening reading interviews he's given. I think he's on the right lines- and I like it how undogmatic he is.

Date: 2008-08-25 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
I want Big Foot and I want him here!

(There's a story that something huge and smelling awful was seen in the woods back before the Civil War not too far from here--around the Bull Run river--but of course Bull Run takes in a lot of territory. Still, I like to drive by the old, old houses near Bull Run--wooden houses, tilting and silvered with age--and wonder if Big Foot once looked into the windows.)

Date: 2008-08-25 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I cling to the hope that Big Foot may still turn out to be "real".

Ditto Nessie.

Ditto that dinosaur-thing that lives in the Congo.

Ditto the Thunderbird.

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