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Ugh- Christmas music!

I'm not talking about carols or even Christmas hymns- I like a lot of those. I'm talking about Christmas pop songs. Aren't they horrible?

And inescapable at this time of year: Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, Slade, Wizard, Cliff Richard.

The chingly sleigh bells, the fake bonhomie. Like being backed into a corner by a sentimental drunk with mincepie breath.

There are only two Christmas songs I can stand. The first is White Christmas. Well,  it's Irving Berlin and Irving Berlin was a mensch. And the second is the Pogues' Fairytale of New York.

"You scumbag, you maggot, you cheap, lousy faggot"- ah now, there's the true spirit of Christmas!  

Date: 2006-11-29 10:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dadi.livejournal.com
Couldn't agree more. And I like "real" xmas songs too, even not being christian. I sing them, and I like to listen to them. And now I have discovered Romanian "Colinde" which are xmas folk songs, some of them so eerily beautiful they truly bring tears to my eyes. But that pop stuff out of all the radios and the shop loudspeakers and EVERYWHERE.. GAH. If I weren't an emetophobe, I'd projectile vomit every time I have to be subjected to this torture...

Date: 2006-11-29 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
"Real" Christmas carols and folk songs touch on the archetypes.

The Watersons have just brought out a Yuletide CD called Holy Heathens and the Old Green Man- I couldn't get my order in fast enough.

Date: 2006-11-29 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huskyteer.livejournal.com
I like Christmas songs. But not till December!

Adam Faith doing 'Lonely Pup (In A Christmas Shop)' has been known to make me run out of the shop in tears.

Date: 2006-11-29 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Erm, I don't think I know that particular Adam Faith number. I suspect it might make me run- but not in tears....

Date: 2006-11-29 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huskyteer.livejournal.com
But he's got no mom and he's got no pop! What kind of monster are you?

Date: 2006-11-29 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
A Cyberman....

Date: 2006-11-29 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] idahoswede.livejournal.com
"The Little Drummer Boy" for about the 50th time has me looking for an axe, ready to damage something. As said by [livejournal.com profile] dadi, I'm not a Christian, but I love "God Rest You Merry Gentlemen" especially and lots of the older carols. "Silent Night" in the right setting can still move me to tears, and I love some of the Benjamin Britton carols. And yes, I DO love "White Christmas" as well.

Date: 2006-11-29 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
White Christmas was written in wartime. (At least, I think it was.) It's about being stationed in a foreign country and longing for home. It has a dark undercurrent of pain and exile.

Most Christmas songs feel like they were written to make a quick buck. The very few good ones are the ones that come from the heart.

Date: 2006-11-29 11:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cybersofa.livejournal.com
Unfortunately these days the Pogues' record always makes me cry over dear Kirsty. Not that that's going to stop me playing it.

There was a very interesting "Making Of" programme about it on TV last Xmas. There is in fact no such thing as the NYPD Choir, and the people in the video were actually firemen, who got incredibly drunk during the filming.

Date: 2006-11-29 12:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Yes, I saw that programme too. Why isn't there a NYPD choir? There dang well ought to be!

Kirtsy McColl was a great talent. Do you know her version of Cole Porter's Miss Otis Regrets? Sublime.

Date: 2006-11-29 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cybersofa.livejournal.com
Yes, got it on a Best Of CD, delightful. But name me a track of hers that isn't! She was the one-woman Beach Boys. I was lucky enough to see her as guest singer with rockabilly rebels Matchbox, back in the early days. Very lucky indeed in fact, I discovered later, as she found live performance so difficult.

Date: 2006-11-29 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pondhopper.livejournal.com
I agree wholeheartedly. "Rockin´ around the Christmas Tree" is the one that REALLY makes me want to puke.
Traditional carols and hymns are lovely and I am fortunate to know many in three languages: English, of course, Spanish and my grandparent´s Polish which I learned from my grandmother as soon as I could talk. She would sing me the Polish hymns as lullabys during the Christmas season.

Date: 2006-11-29 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Traditional Christmas music is gorgeous.

Mel Smith and Kim Wilde (I think it was them) did a comedy version of Rockin Around the Christmas Tree which was quite good fun- at least the video was.

Date: 2006-11-29 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sorenr.livejournal.com
Speaking of funny Christmas songs... I find Santa Baby quite entertaining in all it's blatant consumerism!

Date: 2006-11-29 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Wears it's heart on its sleeve, doesn't it?

Date: 2006-11-29 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] upasaka.livejournal.com
That Pogues song is great. I'm also fond of that old classic "Santa Claus is Somkin' Reefer."

Date: 2006-11-29 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Ah, I've never come across that one- but I think I'd probably like it.

Date: 2006-11-29 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jfs.livejournal.com
The thing I like most about "Fairytale ..." is that it is blatantly obvious that most people don't listen to the lyrics. At all.

Either that or (even more heartening) that the majority of the population of Britain, including whoever programmes the music for shopping malls in December is cynical enough to play it day in, day out, in the festive season.

Either way I'm happy. Whenever I hear it in the shops, I smile.

Date: 2006-11-29 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I like to think we Brits are all secretly punks at heart.

Date: 2006-11-29 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frumiousb.livejournal.com
I will admit to a soft spot for 1950s Christmas music. Mitch Miller Christmas singalong is on high rotation in our house, but not until after December 15th.

B. bought me the Sufjan Stevens Christmas box set this year, in attempt to update my musical sweet tooth...

Date: 2006-11-29 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I don't recognise Mitch Miller. I suspect the British equivalent would be someone like Max Bygraves.

I used to work as a cleaner in an old folk's home. It was wall to wall Max in there.

Date: 2006-11-29 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solar-diablo.livejournal.com
Most of it is pabulum, really. Saccharine to the nth degree.

I'll agree with others here, the best carols/Christmas music is when it incorporates a pagan element, some degree of darkness, or a decidedly non-commercial spirituality. O Holy Night, God Rest You Merry Gentlemen, The Holly and the Ivy, and Carol of the Bells come to mind.

Date: 2006-11-29 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I've just ordered the Watersons' new seasonal CD- Holy Heathens and the Green Man. I can't wait!

You missed...

Date: 2006-11-29 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jubal51394.livejournal.com
"Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer" Where's your holiday spirit? ;)

Re: You missed...

Date: 2006-11-29 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I don't believe I've ever heard that one, but I'm sure I'd like it if I did.

Date: 2006-11-29 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunfell.livejournal.com
I'll listen to great choral works at Christmas. But I draw the line at what I heard last night in JC Penneys: A fifties crooner (Bing, I think) remixed with trance drums.

No. No. No. No. Trance is trance. Bing is Bing. The two should not ever mix.

:still getting the nastybad taste out of my hears and brain...:

Date: 2006-11-29 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I'll be listening to traditional folk. Specifically, The Watersons.

Poor old Bing. Do you remember when he sang little Drummer Boy (yuk) as a duet with the young David Bowie?

Date: 2006-11-29 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mamarose.livejournal.com
Around here, most of the radio stations have gone to all christmas music all of the time, until the end of December. Even if I were a Christian, I don't think I would want six weeks of non-stop christmas music, EVERYWHERE!

You can't escape it by putting on the television, either. All of those advertising jingles! How can something be sacred when it is so commercialized? I am not opposed to christmas music, I find some if it rather nice, actually. But gimme a break!

Date: 2006-11-29 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
It's the relentlessly upbeat jollity of it all that gets me!

Date: 2006-11-29 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] four-thorns.livejournal.com
what, technically, is the definition of a "carol"?

also, nobody's mentioned All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth. two years ago, my brother actually got his two front teeth knocked out about two days before christmas. maybe it's mean, but i had a field day with that.

Date: 2006-11-29 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baritonejeff.livejournal.com
A Christmas carol (also called a noël) is a carol (song or hymn) whose lyrics are on the theme of Christmas, or the winter season in general. They are traditionally sung in the period before and during Christmas. The tradition of Christmas carols hails back as far as the thirteenth century, although carols were originally communal songs sung during celebrations like harvest tide as well as Christmas. It was only later that carols began to be sung in church, and to be specifically associated with Christmas.

A popular urban legend was that they were named after a little girl named Carol Poles who disappeared in 1888 in the Whitechapel district of London. According to the legend, the little girl was reported missing around Christmas and many people went searching for her at night. Due to fears concerning Jack the Ripper, the group would sing Christmas carols upon knocking in order to declare their good intentions

Date: 2006-11-29 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
A carole is a ring dance. So carols were dance music before they mutated into something else. They go back to the late middle ages (at least). Baritonejeff says they're always associated with Christmas, but I don't think that's true. I can't provide chapter and verse, but I believe there are secular carols as well as carols for other Christian feast days.

Since writing the above I've checked with Wikipedia and, yeah, it backs me up.

I don't know what the modern definition of carol would be. I don't suppose there is one.

All I want for Christmas is my Two Front Teeth- I'd forgotten that one. What a classic!

Date: 2006-12-01 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] four-thorns.livejournal.com
hmm. i just asked because you seemed to be making a distinction between carols and pop christmas songs, and i'm not sure what it is.

but i do agree with you-- when i think about it, the only christmas songs i like are the religious ones (o holy night, what child is this, etc), although i do really like "have yourself a merry little christmas". there's something very melancholy about it: "though the years we all will be together if the fates allow" always gets me; there are few christmas songs that acknowledge that 1) bad stuff happens and 2) there's nothing you can do about it

Date: 2006-11-29 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sina-says.livejournal.com
"...You're a bum
You're a punk
You're an old slut on junk"


do they really play that in the malls and shops over there?

Date: 2006-11-29 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure I've heard it...
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Date: 2006-11-29 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Irving Berlin was a Jew.

But, yeah, I know what you mean.

Date: 2006-11-29 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] senordildo.livejournal.com
There are a few good Christmas pop songs. The Phil Spector Christmas album ("A Christmas Gift For You") contained "the loudest, sexiest Christmas music anyone had ever heard," as Greil Marcus put it a few years back. In addition to miracles performed by the Ronnettes and the Crystals, the album ends with Darlene Love's titanic "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)."
Beyond that, Clyde McPhatter and the Drifters did the definitive "White Christmas" (not hard, since the other versions are mostly unbearable), and Otis Redding turned in good versions of that song and "Merry Christmas Baby." Elvis also took a nicely sleazy crack at the latter, and his "Santa Claus Is Back In Town" is gloriously dirty. (You'll never again hear "Santa Claus is comin' down your chimney tonight!" without having unclean thoughts.) For pop versions of older Christmas songs, I recommend Jackie Wilson's stunning version of "O Holy Night." Lastly, the best recent Christmas pop song I can think of is The Band's "Christmas Must Be Tonight," which manages to express a good deal of piety and wonder. I'm also fond of John Lennon's "Happy X-Mas (War is Over)", but you're probably familiar with that one.

Date: 2006-11-29 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with most of those.

I'd forgotten Lennon's effort. I might have added it to the list if I'd remembered. But it's a long way from my favourite John-song. For one thing he stole the tune from the larky 19th century folksong, Skewball.

Skewball was a racehorse
I wish he was mine.
He'd never drink water
He'd only drink wine....

Date: 2006-11-30 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-girl-42.livejournal.com
And the second is the Pogues' Fairytale of New York.

You are the 3rd person to mention that song to me this month.

Off to download...

Date: 2006-11-30 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Great song. A landmark.

Date: 2006-11-30 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] methodius.livejournal.com
I like Tom Lehrer's

Christmas time is here, by golly
Disapproval would be folly
Deck the hall with hunks of holly
Fill the cup and don't say "When".

But they never play that one in the shops.

Date: 2006-11-30 11:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
It would be good if the shops drew from a larger repertoire.

It's having the same old, not very good songs played over and over again that is so debilitating

Date: 2006-12-02 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
Transubstantiate,
that is.

From the Vatican Rag.

Date: 2006-12-02 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
Two, four, six, eight--
Time to transubstantiate.

Date: 2006-12-02 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
...Like being backed into a corner by a sentimental drunk with mincepie breath.


Haha! Wonderful!

I like best: In the bleak midwinter, frosty wind made moan.

Date: 2006-12-02 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
My favourite is It came Upon a Midnight Clear.

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