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Jun. 28th, 2006 09:06 am
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Why did I never read Dubliners before? I guess it's because Joyce is one of those modernist big beasts that everyone who's serious about literature is supposed to have read and I'm stubborn.

It's the same reason why I didn't properly get round to Virginia Woolf until last year.

I like it how Joyce tries to cram as much of life as he possibly can into each small sketch. Dubliners is a transitional work. On the one hand it feels very late Victorian- obviously indebted to people like Chekhov and kin to people like Wells- and on the other hand you can see how so much of 20th century fiction grows out of it. Joyce uses lots of long words- just like a Victorian, but he also uses lots of very short sentences, just like Hemingway. Story doesn't interest him much. What interests him is the world as he can see, smell, touch and think it. 

Apparently Joyce's realism was very shocking at the time. It's odd how namby-pamby Edwardian taste was. Not just about sex but about anything too grossly physical. The other day I came across a review by Hilaire Belloc in which he objected to a writer referring to the "heavy smell of blood" in some story of pirate adventure. For Belloc, not a bad writer himself but a thoroughly conventional one, there were all sorts of things that were completely outside the pale of art. 

I've read four stories and we've already tripped over two dead priests. I reckon that's Dublin for yez!

Date: 2006-06-28 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenkay.livejournal.com
Dubliners rocks--that Joyce fellow really can write!

Date: 2006-06-28 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I predict a great future for him....

Date: 2006-06-28 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenkay.livejournal.com
You are so prescient.:)

Date: 2006-06-28 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] four-thorns.livejournal.com
i'm a big fan of Dubliners. i love "The Dead" in particular.

I've read four stories and we've already tripped over two dead priests.

most of the stories do follow a similar pattern- character thinks about something he/she is going to do and how wonderful it will be, then for some reason he/she doesn't do it or is unable to do it (cue the epiphany). ah, the ineffectuality of old ireland!

Date: 2006-06-28 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Everything thus far has been very slight. It's like a great musician playing warm-up exercises, or a tennis champion having a knock up ahead of the match.

Date: 2006-06-29 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kinderheldin.livejournal.com
I like "A Painful Case" a whole lot. Reminds me somewhat of "Paul's Case" by Cather (another story with gorgeous, musical prose).
http://www.shsu.edu/~eng_wpf/authors/Cather/Pauls-Case.htm

Date: 2006-06-29 08:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I haven't got that far yet. I'm about to start "Two Gallants".

Thanks for the Cather link.

Date: 2006-06-28 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] happydog.livejournal.com
Dubliners and Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man are my favorite things by Joyce. I have no time or patience for Ulysses or Finnegan's Wake; not that interested in books that I would have to have a master's degree in interpreting the book itself to comprehend. But I deeply love the two things that I do love by Joyce.

Date: 2006-06-28 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I'm going to see how far I can get. I'll proceed through the oeuvre until the undergrowth gets too much for me.

Date: 2006-06-28 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kinderheldin.livejournal.com
I've read everything except Finnegan's (and even that, I've work through passages of). A Portrait (which I taught and studied for ten years) is my favorite book of all time -- the most beautiful novel I've ever read.

Dead priests ... hmmm ... is there such a thing as a "living" priest?

Date: 2006-06-29 08:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I'm looking forward to A Portrait.

The incidence of dead priests reminds me a little of early Bunuel.

Date: 2006-06-28 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ibid.livejournal.com
The dead was the only story I liked. The rest reminded me of Eastenders, too melodramatic.

Mind you I was forced to read it for A level so that might have scarred me.

Date: 2006-06-28 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
The book that were spoiled for me by "A" levels was Howards End .

And then there was Comus. I hated it at the time, but now I love it and am the proud possessor of a de luxe edition with illustrations by Edmund Dulac.

Date: 2006-06-29 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cataptromancer.livejournal.com
I've always kind of thought that one person couldn't like joyce and woolf at the same time -- kind of like the existential beatles vs. stones thing. You differ, I'm guessing?

Date: 2006-06-29 08:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Woolf was last year, Joyce is this year. I wouldn't care to be reading them in tandem.
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Date: 2006-07-01 08:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
My candidate for GSEWIE is Kipling's The Wish House, but then I haven't read The Dead yet.

I'm working up to it.....



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Date: 2006-07-01 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
The early stories are very sharp, very observant, but they're scraps, five-finger exercises.
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Date: 2006-07-01 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
We love grading things, don't we, making lists of ten bests and the like? I guess we all of us possess an inner school-teacher.

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