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The poor voted one way, the rich voted the other. The poor won because there are more of them.

Suddenly the future looks like a blank sheet. Lots of people- some of them not very nice- are getting their magic markers out ready to scribble, scribble, scribble...

The EU could collapse after this. So could the UK. Other countries will demand referenda. Scotland may demand a second vote on independence. Sinn Fein are saying, "This calls for a United Ireland".

Seems like Wales and England will stick together. They voted for Brexit by exactly the same margin.

Is this one of history's big turning points?

I wasn't expecting Cameron to go. I thought he'd have to have his fingers prised off the wheel. He is a bad man- a man without principles or ideas- and has been a very bad PM. The debacle was all his fault. He took a punt and lost.

Date: 2016-06-24 09:18 am (UTC)
matrixmann: (Ready)
From: [personal profile] matrixmann
As my history teacher liked to say "We live in very exciting times.".

Date: 2016-06-24 09:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Exciting is good. It's during exciting times that we make progress- because we have to.

As it says in a poem I learned as a boy.

"Sound, sound the clarion, fell the fife
To all the sensual world proclaim
One crowded hour of glorious life
Is worth an age without a name."

Date: 2016-06-24 09:33 am (UTC)
matrixmann: (Ready)
From: [personal profile] matrixmann
I think I can agree with that.

Date: 2016-06-24 10:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haikujaguar.livejournal.com
*considers*

Any way we could help? I could go buy British exports. :)

Date: 2016-06-24 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
They will be good value now, as the pound tumbles.

Date: 2016-06-24 11:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
That'd be good.

Treat yourself to some marmalade and Scottish Whisky.

Date: 2016-06-24 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haikujaguar.livejournal.com
I shall do this thing, then.

The sun has a habit of continuing to rise every day, doesn't it? And we put on our shoes and go to the day. :,

Date: 2016-06-24 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ideealisme.livejournal.com
I try to remember that. I feel deeply drained right now, and I'm not even in the UK.

Date: 2016-06-24 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
The sun is shining, the birds are singing, the horrible referendum campaign is over and we can move on to whatever's next.

Date: 2016-06-24 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kamomil.livejournal.com
I never thought I would see a day when a united Ireland was probable

Date: 2016-06-24 02:15 pm (UTC)
ext_12726: (African flower crochet motif)
From: [identity profile] heleninwales.livejournal.com
It would be ironic if the neo-Liberals and UKIP manage to bring about what generations of more principled and idealistic politicians have failed to achieve.

Date: 2016-06-24 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I don't think it will happen without bloodshed- but I suspect- in the long run- which may not be so long now- it's inevitable.

The division of Ireland is against nature and the religions that sustained it are losing their grip.

Date: 2016-06-24 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] artkouros.livejournal.com
Not to worry, Trump says it's all for the best.

Date: 2016-06-24 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I believe he's in Scotland now opening one of his nasty golf courses.

The Scots hate him.

Date: 2016-06-24 02:18 pm (UTC)
ext_12726: (pebbles)
From: [identity profile] heleninwales.livejournal.com
The fact that there was a referendum now was Cameron's fault, but losing touch with the poor and angry citizens of the UK was down to Labour and their many years of London-centric policies. Far too much Hampstead and not enough Doncaster in their thinking.

Date: 2016-06-24 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
We've been failed by several generations of politicians.

I really have no idea what will happen next- and I find that rather exciting...

Date: 2016-06-24 04:47 pm (UTC)
ext_12726: (pebbles)
From: [identity profile] heleninwales.livejournal.com
I'm glad you feel that way. I'm afraid I feel vulnerable and scared right now.

Date: 2016-06-24 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
It takes all temperaments...

Date: 2016-06-25 07:48 am (UTC)
ext_12726: (afternoon tea)
From: [identity profile] heleninwales.livejournal.com
It's nothing to do with temperament, it's to do with being powerless and having very few resources. G and I could be looking at a very miserable and poverty stricken old age. We've just lost another 1000 pounds on the insurance policy that was supposed to pay off our mortgage. Hopefully when the stock market steadies, that will reduce a bit, but we're going to have to make up the shortfall with our savings.

We've just retired and our local college relies heavily on EU funding, so there will be no chance now of picking up a bit of part-time teaching to supplement our income. As it is, I don't know whether the college get the £3 million they had been promised for the new vocational courses starting in September. So that's our local young people screwed.

Despite countries like Hungary joining the EU, Gwynedd still qualifies as one of the poorest areas in the EU. Will Westminster pick up the slack? Of course they won't because neither party needs our votes.

Date: 2016-06-25 07:49 am (UTC)
ext_12726: (afternoon tea)
From: [identity profile] heleninwales.livejournal.com
Oh, and just for the record, Gwynedd voted solidly to remain in the EU.

Date: 2016-06-25 09:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Oddly enough our district- Tunbridge Wells- also voted for Remain. I say oddly because I'd assumed it would be solidly pro-Brexit- but then again it's a wealthy area and the wealthy, understandably, tend to support the status quo.

I'm sorry the outcome has impacted on you in the way it has.

Date: 2016-06-24 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davesmusictank.livejournal.com
May i repost as it is spot on.
Edited Date: 2016-06-24 05:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-06-24 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I'd be honoured.

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