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I've just watched the BBC's Pride and Prejudice- all six hours of it in a single session. I started out of duty (Ailz is studing P & P with the Open University) but I quickly became hooked.

By the end of it Elizabeth and Darcy had become so real to me that I was speculating about their future. I thought, these two will live to see Victoria come to the throne and the railways criss-cross the country and their beloved Derbyshire fill up with factories and maybe they'll still be around for the Great Exhibition in 1851. When they're approaching late middle-age someone will take their photographs. Almost certainly theyll get to read Dickens and Tennyson and....

...And then I made myself quite melancholy thinking about how they've now been dead for something like 150 years.

But, of course, they're not dead at all; they're immortal- reborn every time anyone picks up the book or watches a dramatization.

Date: 2004-12-09 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
Is Ailz enjoying her Open University course? I hope so. It sounds like fun, you two studying and working together, discussing the fine points of literature.

I've never read a single Jane Austen book! Maybe I should. I was too easily put off by all the little talk.

--I like to think about people who, as children, settled on the Great Plains by covered wagon in the 1870s being able to fly across those same Plains by the 1940s. What an amazing change in one lifetime!





Date: 2004-12-09 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
The course is really only just beginning. We got a big package of books and tapes in the post this morning.

If you want to give Austen a whirl, the BBC Pride and Prejudice with Jennifer Ehle and Colin Firth is a good place to start. It's a big budget production and the attention to period detail is awesome. I imagine its available on DVD on your side of the pond.

Date: 2004-12-09 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
Thanks for the idea! I am sure it's available on DVD here.

I hope you'll both enjoy the big package of books and tapes--how I love getting boxes of books in the mail!

(BTW, Kate's Complete Works of Charles Fort has arrived, and it was in hardback! I know she'll be delighted--she thinks he's long out of print.)

Date: 2004-12-09 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
No doubt it's the same edition of Fort that I have.

One of Ailz's texts is Frankenstein. She says she's going to settle down and make a start on it tonight.

Date: 2004-12-09 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenkay.livejournal.com
I've never read a single Jane Austen book! Maybe I should. I was too easily put off by all the little talk.

LOL. That surprises me. You are the mistress of little talk! You write about it, you write about your little house and your little life. I would have thought you would revel in it.

Date: 2004-12-09 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
You're right.

I'll give Jane a try.

Millions of her loving readers can't be wrong.

(Karen, I thought of you when I read my friend deltamiss's post this afternoon. She's an English teacher, and she has been teaching her eighth graders how to write instructions.

Their adventures were very amusing!

-happy sigh-

Date: 2004-12-09 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arielstarshadow.livejournal.com
Which version of P&P did you watch? I love the one with Colin Firth as Darcy. -swoon- I own that version, and strangely enough, I've been thinking it was high time to spend a day re-watching the series of them, with lots and lots of hot tea and perhaps some shortbread or scones scattered here and there as well.

Re: -happy sigh-

Date: 2004-12-09 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
The Firth/Ehle version of course. I can hardly see how it could be bettered.

They had such good taste in the Regency. There have never (before or since) been more flattering fashions for either sex.

The one piece of casting I disliked was Alison Steadman as Mrs Bennett. You need to be able to believe that sensible Mr Bennett was once madly in love with this silly woman, but Steadman plays her as a spiky shrew without any vestige of sexiness or charm.

Re: -happy sigh-

Date: 2004-12-09 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arielstarshadow.livejournal.com
I agree wholeheartedly with you! Alas, I do not have enough of a bosom to be able to look good in the empire waist dresses. I do think they are beautiful, though.

I feel very (and this will sound silly) civilized when I watch P&P. It makes me want to be more of a lady, more genteel, more feminine - which I actually want to be anyway, so it's not as if watching the series has me all topsy-turvy or anything like that. Rather, it serves as a reminder of the woman I would like to be...I really should watch it again.

That's one of the reasons I love to drink my tea (with milk and -gasp- sugar, thank you very much). I think it's a far more civilized drink than coffee could ever hope to be; there is something extremely satisfying about having a nice cup of tea.

Re: -happy sigh-

Date: 2004-12-09 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
As it so happens I have a cup- well, mug- of tea, beside me as I write.

I would love to wear one of those full-skirted greatcoats and a top hat. So very dashing!



Date: 2004-12-09 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morrison-maiden.livejournal.com
That's nifty. They probably would have been photographed by Matthew Brady, had they been in the States. He's the gent most famous for photographing Abe Lincoln :)

Date: 2004-12-09 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Yes indeed. And- believe it or not- I have one of the Brady photos of Lincoln hanging on the wall.

Date: 2004-12-09 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morrison-maiden.livejournal.com
Wow, really? That's very cool!

Date: 2004-12-09 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I have a "thing" about the American Civil War. Don't know why. Maybe I lived through it in a previous incarnation.

Date: 2004-12-09 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morrison-maiden.livejournal.com
That's pretty cool. Maybe you did. I think it's fascinating too. Probably because of the great photography that was used to document some of it. I think it was the first time they had photos during a major war. But then, I'm in love with the 1840's through the 1930's, particularly because of the innovation of the photograph ;)

Date: 2004-12-09 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
As you may have gathered I share your love of old photographs.

My greatest photographic hero(ine) is the Victorian portraitist, Julia Margaret Cameron.

Date: 2004-12-09 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morrison-maiden.livejournal.com
Oh yes, I could tell! I love Julia Margaret Cameron. I had an icon of one of her photos a short time ago. She is a great hero, because she started photography when she was 48. She received a camera from her daughters on her 48th birthday, and it was her passion from then on...

So you're a fellow heroine addict, eh? ::nods at icon:: ;)

Date: 2004-12-09 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Yes, I'm a heroine addict :)

Did you know that Cameron was Virginia Woolf's aunt? Woolf is another big heroine of mine.

Date: 2004-12-09 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morrison-maiden.livejournal.com
That I did not know. That's very cool too!

Not very relevant, but it reminded me: Rita Hayworth and Ginger Rogers were cousins :)

Date: 2004-12-09 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
And I didn't know about Ginger and Rita! Well I never....

Date: 2004-12-09 08:15 pm (UTC)

Date: 2004-12-09 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaysho.livejournal.com
It's easy to turn speculations like that on yourself as well.

What will you live to see?

What will you miss seeing?

Date: 2004-12-09 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I used to think I'd live to see all sorts of wonderful things in this new millennium of ours. Now I'm not so sure.

Date: 2004-12-10 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] butterscotch711.livejournal.com
You know in the approximately two milliseconds I have ever given to considering the rest of Elizabeth and Darcy's lives, I always imagined them growing old in Magical Eternal Regency Land...

I wonder what I'll see in my life ... when I was little I thought I'd see the most amazing technological innovations ever, like cyborgs and people being uploaded to their computers and living forever. Now things look depressingly dark age-ish.

Date: 2004-12-10 09:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Jane Austen gives us very little sense of the larger society in which she lives. But the TV version is different. We get glimpses of old men in ill-fitting wigs, and drunken servants, and Darcy working out in the gym - erm, I mean- practising with his fencing master.

It's a society about to end. The industrial revolution is already under way and very soon the dark satanic mills will be casting their shadows over Pemberley.

And Darcy, with his earnestness, his repression, his moral seriousness, is already a proto-Victorian.

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