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The puritans who rule Saudi Arabia are busy destroying anything that could invite idolatry. Vast tracts of old Mecca and Medina have been flattened- to the despair of archaeologists and historians of Islam- and Mohammed's birthplace and the cave in which he composed the earlier parts of the Koran are under threat.

I respect the puritan mindset, but what I don't understand is why, if shrines must go, the Kaaba is spared? How is it OK to prostrate yourself before a big black rock but not to visit the house where the prophet was born? There's a lack of follow-through here.

Date: 2011-09-28 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Religious intolerance, misogyny, moral authoritarianism, scriptural fundamentalism, a disregard for history- these all seem like Puritan traits to me. Of course, I'm talking about the clerics rather than the Royal family.

Date: 2011-09-29 09:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
I have to defend the Puritans a bit here! They were not notably misogynist (by general seventeenth-century standards), and far more likely than most to encourage women's literacy and to emphasize their status as helpmeets and rational companions of men, rather than chattels.

Otherwise, I agree.

Date: 2011-09-29 10:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Yes, that was a bit simplistic of me. The 17th century puritans were pioneers of women's rights. Modern puritans (Wahabi clerics for instance) tend to be less so.

"Right but repulsive"- why do our ancestors have to be so nuanced?

Date: 2011-09-29 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michaleen.livejournal.com
Indeed. Judged by the standards of the day, I find that women were treated equitably before Puritan courts of justice as well. A widow could and usually did enjoy a high degree of legal independence and authority.

Date: 2011-09-29 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michaleen.livejournal.com
I found an insider's view of Saudi society most illuminating and from what you're proposing imagine you might as well.

I don't see Saudi clerics as necessarily more religiously intolerant than the Bishop of Rome and probably a plurality of the Holy See. They could not possibly be more misogynist, or more textually fundamentalist, and if the heirs of St Peter enjoyed the sort of unchecked temporal power exercised by the house of Saud, I doubt that they would be much different than their Arabian counterparts. The plain facts of European history suggests that I'm right.

The Saudis may have a puritanical obsession with right conduct, but they lack a suspicion of sensuality in general, one of the more salient traits of Homo puritanicus.

Date: 2011-09-30 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michaleen.livejournal.com
Y'know? especially after you mentioned that puritanical Calvinist, I think another way of stating my objection is that I can't imagine puritanism outside the context of English culture.

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