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It's odd to be reading a book that attacks Civilization.

It's an old book, published in 1911. The author, Algernon Blackwood, says that Civilization alienates us from Nature and Our True Selves. He- or at least the hero of his book- is an extreme kind of Nature mystic. This character is currently (I am about three quarters of the way through) plunging deeper and deeper into the Caucasus in search of Union with The Earth Mother.

The Caucasus: it is- hmmm- a little hard in the light of recent events to see it as a heaven on earth.

Poor old book. You are falsified by 20th century history. You are innocent enough, but your attacks on science and reason are hard to bear.

The sleep of Reason begets monsters.

Begets true believers and God on our side and the rolling back of the Geneva conventions.

The opposite of civilization is not dancing with nymphs in a woodland glade to the wild music of Pan. That vision- that Arcadian vision- is in fact a product of Civilization.

I have one word for you- Poussin.

To the actual peasant the wild world of nature is simply a work-place.

Bloody trees.

For a man who hates Civilization Blackwood knows lots and lots of long words.

The opposite of Civilization is Barbarity.

Re: Barbarism

Date: 2004-11-11 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
My high school Latin teacher told us that the Romans called all foreigners "bar bars," meaning, she said that their language was gibberish and had no meaning.

I don't know what her source was--I just assumed she was correct! Now I wonder.

But the origin of the word "barbarian" may have a more neutral meaning.

Re: Barbarism

Date: 2004-11-11 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I've heard that one too. I don't see why it shouldn't be true.

Re: Barbarism

Date: 2004-11-11 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaysho.livejournal.com
And the Romans, in good fashion, borrowed their word "barbarus" from the Greek "barbaros", meaning the same thing. Etymologists are unsure if the "bar-bar" comes from the tendency of Germanic languages to use the hard "r" sound, as opposed to the Mediterranean trilled r; or if it comes from a tendency that stammering people have to make sounds like that.

Sanskrit, for example, has the adjective "barbaras", meaning stammering or blithering.

OK, I'm taking your comment stream even further off topic here ... :)

Re: Barbarism

Date: 2004-11-11 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
No, that's really interesting. I was hoping someone out there in LJ world would have the scuttlebutt on this.

Re: Barbarism

Date: 2004-11-12 08:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] besideserato.livejournal.com
I am taking the argument even more far away. In modern Lima, we use the slang barbaridad to describe an atrocity, generally in terms of a social faux pas. Learned that one from Mother dearest. Interesting, yes?

Re: Barbarism

Date: 2004-11-12 11:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Moving further and further off topic, but do you know this poem by Sir John Betjeman?

http://www.passageway.com/teatrader/HowToGet.htm

It a compendium of things that constituted social barbarism in 1950s Britain. :)

Re: Barbarism

Date: 2004-11-13 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] besideserato.livejournal.com
Don't you love it when this happens in entries? You just keep talking and talking, like little conversations (and I am already an hour late for the gala, but I cannot stop!).

Oh, I love that poem! I am sending it to Mother immediately. She is going to have the most fantastic laugh!

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