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poliphilo ([personal profile] poliphilo) wrote2011-07-30 10:20 am

How Evil Defeats Itself

Did the shooter really think we'd go, "If it hadn't been for that white guy killing all those people I'd never have realised what a menace these Muslims are; lets drive them into the sea."?

You dress in a self-designed uniform, complete with self-awarded medals, then you murder over seventy young people: what a wonderful advertisement you are for your cause!

At the funeral of Bano Rashid a minister and an imam walked side by side ahead of the coffin- which is exactly the kind of thing her sheep-faced killer wanted to prevent. 

[identity profile] ron-broxted.livejournal.com 2011-07-30 09:23 am (UTC)(link)
I keep thinking...if that prick Breivik was a "warrior" why not get out to Talibanland and start some serious action? Why didn't he hit a Masjid? The thought of hundreds of young Muslim guys retaliating as he reloaded de trop? You are correct in that this shit bring us together - the Umma and Hindus united.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2011-07-30 11:48 am (UTC)(link)
Evil is not only banal but stupid.

[identity profile] ron-broxted.livejournal.com 2011-07-30 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Very. I ponder that a guy who stuck crosses/medals all over his shiny new kit never bothered reading the New Testament. I look in vain for "Thou shalt slot dark skinned folks or they that liketh them".

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2011-07-30 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)
And yet one of the things he says he stands for is Christianity.

[identity profile] chiller.livejournal.com 2011-07-30 09:25 am (UTC)(link)
I think if one can grasp any silver lining as a consequence of this awful mass murder, it might be that quite a lot of people are realising that brown people turn out to be just people, and mass murderers turn out to be non-denominational.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2011-07-30 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
And racists- like our own EDL- have been put on the back foot.

[identity profile] chiller.livejournal.com 2011-07-30 12:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Hell of a price to pay for embarrassing a bunch of wankers, though.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2011-07-30 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, absolutely.

[identity profile] michaleen.livejournal.com 2011-07-30 10:03 am (UTC)(link)
The guy apparently spent a lot of time inside the echo chamber of our right-wing hate machine. Here's a look at one of his sources of inspiration, one of our more blood-thirsty and unhinged Zionist loons:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201107250025

And since Fox is a Murdoch property, we get a nice tie-in.

Did the shooter expect us to suddenly recognize the Muslim menace? or did he want us to see how easy it was to take matters into our own hands and seek a violent solution? My money is on the latter. When Timothy McVeigh blew up the Morrow Federal building, in Oklahoma City, he was convinced that his act of 'courage' would inspire a mass uprising against the tyranny of the US government.

Anders Behring Breivik is of the same mold, I suspect. He was certainly nurtured on the same infernal teat.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2011-07-30 11:55 am (UTC)(link)
Obama inciting Muslims against Jews? What is she on about?

The Norwegian shooter (I refuse to use his name) was also closely linked to the British far right- including the Muslim-bashing English Defence League. It's an association that's causing them considerable embarrassment.

[identity profile] michaleen.livejournal.com 2011-07-31 09:51 am (UTC)(link)
It should embarrass them. There is considerable back-pedaling over here, too.

As for Geller, I can't make heads or tails out of what that harpy claims. About the most I can say is that Likud hatred of Obama runs pretty deep and their smear campaign against him was intense, sustained and wholly ineffective. Geller is just a cheerleader.

[identity profile] solar-diablo.livejournal.com 2011-07-30 12:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Did the shooter really think we'd go, "If it hadn't been for that white guy killing all those people I'd never have realised what a menace these Muslims are; lets drive them into the sea."?

We've been saying the same thing about Muslim extremists for decades, i.e. "Did these murderers seriously think that we'd all rush to embrace wahabi Islam once they started blowing themselves up and using airliners as weapons?"

Like you noted above, evil is both banal and stupid. Unfortunately, it's also not limited to a specific belief system or culture.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2011-07-30 03:45 pm (UTC)(link)
The idiots- like the poor- will always be with us.

(Anonymous) 2011-07-30 12:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope they broke his solitary confinement just to show him the coverage of Bano Rashid's funeral for precisely that reason.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2011-07-30 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I very much doubt it.

I wonder whether at some stage in his future life- which could last for 50 or 60 more years- he will suddenly wake up to the horror and futility of what he's done....

[identity profile] algabal.livejournal.com 2011-07-30 03:58 pm (UTC)(link)
What's interesting is how much of his language is squarely within the mainstream of American neoconservative thought. He has much more in common with the likes of David Horowitz and Robert Spencer than someone like David Duke.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2011-07-30 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Though presumably Horowitz and Spencer don't advocate mass murder. I wonder how he made that leap.

[identity profile] michaleen.livejournal.com 2011-07-31 10:03 am (UTC)(link)
Whatever gave you that idea?

Horowitz was a major supporter of Dick and W's most excellent Iraqi adventure, which has killed hundreds of thousands and counting. If anything, Spencer has an even more callow disregard for human life.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2011-07-31 10:14 am (UTC)(link)
Point taken.

You see I don't know these guys. It's hard to keep track of all your warmongers when we have so many of our own.

[identity profile] michaleen.livejournal.com 2011-07-31 09:52 am (UTC)(link)
Indeed.