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I watched Patrick Stewart's Macbeth last night. It's an opened up version of a lauded stage production- and full of the kind of expressionist touches that work very well on stage, but not so well on film.  The world of the production is a bewildering hotch-potch of times and places and cultures. The characters wear Stalinist uniforms and 1940s evening dress; the Macbeths live in an English country house with a Hitlerian bunker, hang out mainly in the kitchen and serve the meals themselves like a modern power couple;  Lady MacDuff and her children are murdered in a tiled space that is clearly labelled Ladies Changing Room; the witches are military nurses who use bits of their deceased patients in their spells; the weaponry is modern, but Malcolm leads his army from the front like a medieval warlord.  It's a very clever production- and would have been a better movie if three quarters of the clever stuff had been cut.

Stewart is magnificent. I thought he might be a little too old for the role, but he must be the buffest, most vigorous seventy year old on the planet. He has the menace, he has the bluff manly charm, he has the inner panic. It's a genuinely illuminating performance. This, you come away thinking,  is what dictators are like; this is what Stalin was like, this is what Mao was like.  Susan Fleetwood as Lady Macbeth is haunted and haunting. 

Unlike every other Shakespeare play of this stature Macbeth is short on great acting roles; the thane and his wife move among shadows.  That said, the supporting cast is terrific- and Michael Feast turns that old ram-rod MacDuff into a proper human being. The scene in which he receives the news of his family's death- and gulps silently for breath and composure-  is joltingly painful. 

Date: 2010-12-13 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clindau.livejournal.com
The image of Macbeth and Lady Macbeth in the elevator at the end is particularly stunning. There they go, hurtling into hell.

Date: 2010-12-13 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Yeah, I liked the elevator.

I have always regretted...

Date: 2010-12-13 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wemyss.livejournal.com
... not seeing a full Hamlet with Ian Richardson as the prince and Stewart as Horatio.

Re: I have always regretted...

Date: 2010-12-13 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
One can never see too many Hamlets.

I've seen David Warner and David Tennant on stage- and several more in other media.

Date: 2010-12-13 04:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
I thought he might be a little too old for the role, but he must be the buffest, most vigorous seventy year old on the planet. He has the menace, he has the bluff manly charm, he has the inner panic. It's a genuinely illuminating performance. This, you come away thinking, is what dictators are like; this is what Stalin was like, this is what Mao was like.

I am very glad; I have not yet seen this production, but based on his Claudius in Tennant's Hamlet, I've been really wanting to.

What would you have cut?

Date: 2010-12-13 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
The director- Rupert Goold- is a show-off- and the production is full of distracting directorial business- clever stuff that hasn't really been thought through. For example, it's clever to have the witches appear as military nurses, but what does it mean? Who or what does Goold think they are?

I'm an admirer of Trevor Nunn's Macbeth- with McKellen and Dench- a minimalist production filmed in a black space with a lot of close-ups and a fierce concentration on the text. Nunn's witches are a team- a young woman who channels the spirits and two older ones who control her. Nunn knows who his witches are and exactly what they're doing- and their lines (which Goold rushes through because he can't be bothered) make sense. Goold's production is full of unthinking theatrical bravura, but Nunn's is intelligent.

Date: 2010-12-13 05:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
For example, it's clever to have the witches appear as military nurses, but what does it mean? Who or what does Goold think they are?

Gotcha. If they are not meant to be choosers of life and death, for example, or gore-crows gathered at the battlefield, then it's just fitting them into the period.

I'm an admirer of Trevor Nunn's Macbeth- with McKellen and Dench- a minimalist production filmed in a black space with a lot of close-ups and a fierce concentration on the text.

I saw the tape of that. I can't imagine it had the same effect onscreen as in the theater, where I think it must have been nearly unbearable, like falling into a black hole, but it was very powerful.

Date: 2010-12-13 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Fitting them into the period, but not in any way that illuminated their role.

And the focus on period was fairly wobbly. We seemed to be in the 30s or 40s, but the Porter- a yob in a tee shirt and not the liveried retainer you might expect the Macbeths to employ- began his scene slumped in front of the telly.

Date: 2010-12-13 05:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
And the focus on period was fairly wobbly. We seemed to be in the 30s or 40s, but the Porter- a yob in a tee shirt and not the liveried retainer you might expect the Macbeths to employ- began his scene slumped in front of the telly.

Yeah: very much the sort of thing that works onstage, where the resonances are what matter, not the precise reconstruction of a time, but not on film where you expect to believe the mise-en-scène and you have to be Peter Greenaway or Derek Jarman to get away with the alternative. It still sounds as though it was worth being filmed, for the lead performances.

Date: 2010-12-13 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
.."but not on film where you expect to believe the mise-en-scène."

Exactly.

This is why there are so very few really good filmed versions of Shakespeare.

Date: 2010-12-13 06:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
This is why there are so very few really good filmed versions of Shakespeare.

Which ones do you think work? Off the top of my head I seem to think first of Prospero's Books and Ian McKellen's Richard III (1995), both of which succeed in part by not aiming for the usual realism—the Greenaway is a deconstruction-retelling, McKellen's an alternate history. My favorite Hamlet may still be Kozintsev's, in Russian.

Date: 2010-12-13 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I'm only listing movies which are real movies- and not merely filmed versions of stage productions.

Welles' Chimes at Midnight is a masterpiece- and contains the best medieval battle scene in the movies ever.

I'm fond of Olivier's Hamlet- a skewed but intelligent version of the play- with loads of atmosphere.

Kurosawa's Throne of Blood is magnificent, but I'm not sure if it counts.

Finally I'm really rather partial to Trevor Nunn's Twelfth Night- largely because Nunn has this gift of making Shakespearian verse sound like real conversation.

I haven't seen Prospero's Books. Mckellen's Richard III didn't do it for me- though I thought the way the opening speech modulated from public oratory to private monologue was brilliant.

Date: 2010-12-13 07:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
Welles' Chimes at Midnight is a masterpiece- and contains the best medieval battle scene in the movies ever.

I have never seen it. So noted.

Finally I'm really rather partial to Trevor Nunn's Twelfth Night- largely because Nunn has this gift of making Shakespearian verse sound like real conversation.

I forgot about that one! Yes. Also beautiful painterly cinematography, which I would not necessarily have guessed Nunn had the eye for.

Date: 2010-12-13 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Chimes at Midnight is hard to get hold of. My copy- Campanadas a Medianoche- came from Spain.

It's extraordinary how Welles is at once so very famous and so badly neglected. If Chimes at Midnight and the Trial and F for Fake were more widely available people might stop wittering about how he lost his way after Citizen Kane.

Date: 2010-12-13 08:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
If Chimes at Midnight and the Trial and F for Fake were more widely available people might stop wittering about how he lost his way after Citizen Kane.

Criterion, this year, released F for Fake. I've never been able to get hold of The Trial, although I've been curious about it for years.

Date: 2010-12-13 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
F for Fake is dazzling.

The Trial is a strange film- very far from my idea of Kafka, but fascinating nonetheless- with a great, nervy, lead performance from Tony Perkins.

Date: 2010-12-13 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ron-broxted.livejournal.com
I watched 5 minutes. Some punter gets shot. It is 11th century Scotland, why were they in Slovakian sodding uniforms from 1939?

Date: 2010-12-13 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I sympathise. I nearly bailed out early too. It's a flashy, silly production, but worth persevering with for the sake of the performances. Stewart is a great Macbeth.

Date: 2010-12-13 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ron-broxted.livejournal.com
Yes I agree about Patrick (he even sent me a join Amnesty for Xmas ad, odd as I have been in for 25 years). I just had no time for silly gimmicks "re-imagining" the play. Like Titus Andronicus a few years back set in f**king Wall St!

Date: 2010-12-13 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
The David Tennant Hamlet used modern dress without making a fetish of it. It's worth remembering that Shakespeare used contemporary (Elizabethan/Jacobean) dress for all his plays. Burbage's Macbeth would have strutted the stage in doublet and hose.

But mainly I agree. Shakespeare doesn't need to be "re-imagined" to speak to a modern audience.

Date: 2010-12-15 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ron-broxted.livejournal.com
It is just if it s Julius Caesar = togas, no need for gimmicks. Never got to see Tennant's Hamlet.

Date: 2010-12-15 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I saw the RSC's most recent Julius Caesar. It was full of gimmicks- even though togas were worn- and pretty damn bad. I heard from an insider that the actors themselves hated the production.

Date: 2010-12-16 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ron-broxted.livejournal.com
Big egos small room. Actors gay and straight are the bitchiest folks on earth.

Date: 2010-12-13 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] halfmoon-mollie.livejournal.com
I am so glad to hear this. Maybe some day I"ll actually get to SEE it. MacBeth is the first Shakespeare play I ever saw (I'd read everything I could get my hands on, but seeing it LIVE is a whole 'nother story) and it is one of my favorites.

The last production I saw, the three witches were two men and a woman.

Date: 2010-12-13 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
In the text the witches have "beards"- which is a good enough excuse for having them played by men.

I saw Macbeth on stage in my teens in a production chiefly distinguished by the presence of the young Tom Courtney as Malcolm.

Date: 2010-12-13 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clindau.livejournal.com
Also, in the Guthrie's recent production, the MacDuffs were murdered in a bathroom--the boy was drowned in the tub, Lady MacDuff was stabbed and dragged to the tub where her throat was slashed. Then the girl child, who had been cowering downstage center while this is happening quietly starts to sob. The murderers see her, and advance on her as the lights go out. Chilling.

Date: 2010-12-13 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Brutal.

This production was fairly brutal too in its use of violence, though it spared us the full-frontal child murder.

Date: 2010-12-13 05:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
I missed it:-( J was in two minds whether to watch it or not - he doesn't like these clever-clever Shakespearean productions staged in modern dress. In the end, it was earlier than we'd expected so we watched the end of Tremors instead. Oh, how intellectual!!!

Date: 2010-12-13 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I imagine it'll be repeated.

Shakespeare's own practice was to play everything in contemporary (Elizabethan/Jacobean) dress. Putting Macbeth in 2Oth century battledress is no more outlandish really than putting him in carefully researched early medieval armour.

Date: 2010-12-13 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
I remember feeling heartily disappointed as a child that Julius Caesar was being played by a bunch of folk in doublets, hose, and big ruffs!!! I now kind of feel more comfortable watching it in Elizabethan dress because it just seems right that way...

Date: 2010-12-13 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I've only been to the Globe once, but it was a revelation to see a Shakespeare play being performed on Shakespeare's own stage under something like the original conditions.

Date: 2010-12-13 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
I can imagine that would have spectacular!

Date: 2010-12-13 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
The main thing about the Globe is that performances take place in daylight. The actors can see the audience. There's much more interaction between stage and pit than is possible in any modern theatre. When an actor delivers a soliloquy it's like he's doing stand-up. The modern Globe audience is fairly polite, but I'm sure that in Shakespeare's day they'd have heckled.

Date: 2010-12-13 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
They probably threw missiles, too, if things weren't quite to their liking!!

Ah, theatre critics...

Date: 2010-12-13 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
The experience also taught me why Shakespeare used so many words. It's because a lot of them wouldn't have been audible.

Date: 2010-12-13 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veronica-milvus.livejournal.com
I really enjoyed it. Mrs Macbeth was a funny, bony creature in clothes that seemed to be threatening to fall off the whole time, but the set (Welbeck Hall in Nottinghamshire) was also a star of the show.

Date: 2010-12-13 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Susan Fleetwood has the most amazing cheekbones.

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