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Tony Robinson was investigating the paranormal on TV last week. At one point a professional sceptic offered to show  how spiritualist seances were worked. A bunch of stooges sat round a table in total darkness, the "medium" called for a spirit to manifest itself  and the "medium"'s assistant came in- soundlessly-  and moved some objects around.

This was supposed to prove that the famous, physical medium, Helen Duncan- who sat in semi darkness and produced ectoplasmic manifestations of actual, dead people- was a fake. 

When Robinson pointed out there was a certain disparity between knocking things over in the dark and producing walking, talking spooks, he was told that Duncan's sitters were obviously imagining things. 

Ah, but of course. 

Date: 2009-01-08 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
Interesting. Which brings up the question: what is "tipping over the beer"? Is it your father's personality or who he really was? A manifestation of his emotions as they were in life? Do personalities survive, I wonder? I get the sense (from much reading about it) that eventually who we are in this life is dumped (we go back somehow) to the cauldron of Creation, the raw material. Oh, who knows? That's neat conjecture, is all.

I wish I could say this better. When I start thinking about all these ideas I get confused and frustrated. I guess what I mean is that I, Jackie, maybe only get to live here, whereas the force of who I am lives always elsewhere and waits for my return--in some way, perhaps Jackie is a drawing on a sheet of paper, and the artist who draws is Me, and that Me is, as Eckhart says, being constantly created, as is God, as are all of Us.

Date: 2009-01-08 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I believe in reincarnation- and that the essential me- my spirit- has inhabited any number of different personalities. I think there's a period- between incarnations- when the spirit has the option to hang around- or revisit- the earth plane and act in the character of the person it used to be.

This is a simplification, of course. I expect the reality is a lot subtler.

I don't think personalities are dumped exactly. I think they're put away in the archives- but will always be there as a resource on which the spirit can draw.

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