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Mar. 28th, 2008 10:01 am
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"What sex is an angel?" asks [personal profile] pondhopper. Well, neither, obviously. An angel is a spirit and spirits are genderless. For the purpose of communicating with humankind they may assume a gender- or allow us to impose one on them- but in their own element they're neither one thing nor the other.

I went looking for pictures of angels. Most artists get it. Most pictures of angels- from medieval wall paintings to renaissance altarpieces to Russian icons- have angels who are superbly androgyne. Only in the 20th century- with the tradition broken and artists all at sea- do you get the odd, obviously gendered angel- either curvaceously feminine, or rippingly male. I don't like these gendered angels. They're wrong. There are things higher and holier than sex- and angels, dropping down into this lower realm to the sound of rebecks and viols, remind us of this. Their beauty- as the best artists have laboured to realise- is a beauty of the beyond. 

Image:Weyden michael.jpg

The Archangel Michael: Rogier Van Der Weyden.

Date: 2008-03-28 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haikujaguar.livejournal.com
Agreed, on all counts.

Date: 2008-03-28 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pondhopper.livejournal.com
My question was more rhetorical than anything and was in reference to the fact that arguing the sex of angels is a useless discussion. There is a saying in Spanish that refers to that, in fact. "Es como discutir el sexo de los angeles" referring to a pointless argument. I was more amused by the fact that there were obvious gender traits assigned to some of those figures present in our Holy Week celebration, especially amongst the cherubs (or baby angels as we call them in Spanish). You are right, of course, and I, too, went looking for angels in art and until the 19th century they are quite androgynous. It was during Victorian times that a feminization occurred in many instances, especially in Victorian Christmas greetings.

The angels in my post are 19th century carvings, by the way. I think I will be on the lookout next year during Holy Week and document all the angel figures, and embroideries I see. I've only now, after 30 years, begun to see some of the details in the Seville Holy Week art.

Marvelous painting, isn't it.
:)

Date: 2008-03-29 10:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Baby angels are funny things. There doesn't seem to be any theological justification for them. Are they meant to be the spirits of departed infants or what? I don't think they occur much in art before the Counter Reformation.

I love late medieval Flemish painting.

Date: 2008-03-29 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pondhopper.livejournal.com
Hmmm....another interesting bit of research. I'll have to check into the baby angel timeline. You're probably right. If they were the spirits of departed infants, in the Catholic Church they would have been baptized departed infants since until recently (last year!) the unbaptized departed babies did not go to heaven.

I'm quite fond of late medieval Flemish painting, too.

Date: 2008-03-28 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfshift.livejournal.com
I'm curious: On what basis do you label this angel (for example) androgynous? Did the artist provide additional information that makes it explicit?

To me, this angel looks just as male as any human subject in paintings from the same period. What "looks male" or "looks female" is different today (and also differs from one culture to another). By today's standards (or maybe just my perception of those standards), I've seen many pre-modern paintings of humans that I've initially been 100% certain represent women and then quite surprised to discover that they're supposed to be men. I don't see this painting as androgynous.

Date: 2008-03-29 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I know what you mean. The late middle ages privileged an ethereal, slender, long-faced look. All the same there's a considerable difference, I think, between the human figures in this painting- all of whom unequivocally read as male- and those of Michael and "his" attendant angels. I think this Michael- like most angels in most pictures- could be read as either male or famale- and that the sexual ambiguity is wholly intentional.



Date: 2008-03-28 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mummm.livejournal.com
I believe that in the distant past almost every spiritual figure was portrayed as male. The name Michael is certainly male, yes?
God= male, Christ= (logically) male, Angels= male. Female spiritual figures were very limited except for Mary and Mary Magdalene, and a (very) few others. I attribute that to the attitude about females during those times, and the male writers of biblical items. It is only much more recently that angels are portrayed as female.
Edited Date: 2008-03-28 03:01 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-03-29 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I think Michael, Gabriel, Raphael etc are first and foremost the names of angels and only secondarily names given to human males. I'll agree that the popular prejudice is to regard angels as male, but I'd want to argue that that is all it is- a prejudice. Angels- as spirits- are beyond sex- and the tradition in art has always been to represent them as androgynous.

Date: 2008-03-29 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mummm.livejournal.com
You are most likely correct. To be honest, it was never something I thought about. I guess I thought that most angels were supposed to be the souls of the formerly living and therefore kept their gender identity... child's viewpoint I guess.

Date: 2008-03-28 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sculptruth.livejournal.com
Beautiful.

The most gorgeous angel I've seen portrayed was in Angels in America. She was powerful, androgynous, and hit that note of sublimity (the Edmund Burke definition of the word) so perfectly, I was transfixed. I imagined her to be what all angels should be; beautiful, terrifying, and (near) tantamount to God.

I wonder about the gender of ancient Hebrew names? I know that Michael and Gabriel have consistently been girl's names in contemporary times, but I have no idea of the past, or of the use of those names in the Hebrew language.
Edited Date: 2008-03-28 03:36 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-03-29 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
That was Emma Thompson, wasn't it? I love Emma Thompson.

I don't know anything about Hebrew names. I've just had a peek at Wikipedia and there's apparently a school of thought that says Michael, Gabriel and the other angelic names are of Babylonian origin.

Date: 2008-03-28 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aerodrome1.livejournal.com
Would that apply to warrior angel images from the Middle Ages, too?

Date: 2008-03-29 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Certainly.

I wanted to post an image by Jan Van Eyck of a armoured and sword-wielding Michael with long curly hair riding on the back of a flying skeleton, but I couldn't find an online version that was sufficiently detailed.

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