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Our neighbour from two doors down- the one who gave us the planter- is known to us as Mrs Bibi. There are lots of Mrs Bibis in this part of the world. 

Bibi is an honorific not a surname.  Benazir Bibi means something like Miss Benazir.  

So for a person to be called Mrs Bibi is a nonsense. Somewhere back down the line an uncomprehending official made a silly mistake.  

Why does our neighbour stand for it?  I've been researching Muslim surnames all morning and getting more and more confused. There seem to be no fixed conventions. If I understand my sources correctly, the purest tradition- the one that goes back to the prophet- is for everyone- male and female- to have a personal name followed by the name of his or her father. It's a system of labelling that guards against inadvertent incest- and very sensible too.  Ahmed's son is called Muktar Ahmed and Muktar's son is called Hanif Muktar and so on.  But in reality things are far more complicated- and practice varies from place to place and clan to clan. One thing that emerges fairly clearly is that the surname as westerners understand it-  a badge of identity, honour and pride that passes down the family from generation to generation- just doesn't exist in Islamic cultures. 

And I suppose that's why my neighbour isn't bothered. You want two names to put on your form? Here they are- Benazir Bibi. And if you choose to interpret the second as a surname who cares?

Date: 2007-06-29 05:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] heleninwales.livejournal.com
Some of the most ardent Welsh nationalists are abandoning surnames and returning to the system of using "ap" (son of) and the father's name. So if Dafydd ap Gwilym has a son called Aled, he'll be known as Aled ap Dafydd and so on. I haven't noticed it causing any problems.

Date: 2007-06-29 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
That's interesting. And why not? Our English surnames have become largely meaningless. There was a time when John Smith was a big, muscly guy who worked in a forge and Mary Baker wore a big apron and had flour dust in her hair- but not any more.

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