"Poets Exploding Like Bombs"

[poliphilo]

Young men love to fight. They particularly love to fight in a good cause. In the 1930s lthousands  of young British men- not street thugs, but scholars, poets, trades unionists, students-  went off to fight in the Spanish Civil War, in a cause that only tangentially touched them-  "for Communism and for liberty".  They included George Orwell, the poet Laurie Lee and -fleetingly- W.H. Auden. 

So what's so surprising about young British Muslims going off to seek martyrdom in Iraq?

Auden, who became tiresomely conservative in middle age, later disowned his poem "Spain". It's one long adrenaline rush. Strip out the specific cultural references and the overwhelming intelligence, and isn't this what jihadis feel?

Comments

[solar-diablo.livejournal.com]

If you remove from the equation that jihadists deliberately target noncombatants as their vehicle to Paradise, and utilize young people who are conditioned by poverty and apocalyptic ideology to kill themselves in order to murder those noncombatants - I guess the emotional fervor can be somewhat similar.

But something rings hollow in the comparison.

[poliphilo.livejournal.com]

I ask, very humbly, whether the hollow ring may not be simply a matter of cultural prejudice....

Don't get me wrong- I hate Islamism, but the young men who went to fight in Spain were putting themselves at the service of ideologies just as repugnant.

Stalinism, for instance- which killed far more people in its time than the Islamists have yet managed.

And not all jihadis are poverty-stricken and uneducated. Some of the British suicide bombers have been well educated, well respected and apparently well-integrated members of the community. It's sometimes the best and brightest who fall the furthest.

[solar-diablo.livejournal.com]

I understand what you're getting at. And yes, there are those Muslims who are motivated to kill themselves and innocents around them as much by alienation from Western culture and religious fervor as by poverty or lack of education. I didn't mean to imply only the desperate were drawn to the jihadist's call, only naming some factors involved (particularly in the case of Palestinians).

There is a certain level where your comparison resonates for me, and maybe that is a matter of cultural prejudice. The Utopian vision of jihadists does not appeal to me any more than does the vision of communism. They are, in my opinion, unattainable "ideals" that in reality do more to oppress and restrict humanity than uplift it. Where the comparison fails is more in methodology. Yes, many were willing to sacrifice themselves for Marxist ideals, but only in particular expressions of Islam do you see 21st century individuals willing to kill themselves to murder others in the name of establishing theocracy.

[poliphilo.livejournal.com]

I'm remembering myself in my 20s. There was a period there when I was so hungry for the just society that I'd have been willing cannon fodder for any plausible ideologue. I look at those jihadis and think "there but for the grace of God..."

[solar-diablo.livejournal.com]

You're a thoughtful individual, and spot on to be careful in otherizing these people. I can only agree with you there.

[poliphilo.livejournal.com]

When friends and neighbours of British jihadis talk about them it's usually with bewilderment.

"He was so religious..."

"He loved playing cricket..."

"He was always so quiet..."

[methodius.livejournal.com]

When friends and neighbours of British jihadis talk about them it's usually with bewilderment.

"He was so religious..."


I think there are some comparisons that work, and some that don't.

The young British men who fought in the Spanish civil war may indeed be compared with young British men who, burning with the sense of injustice at their own country's treatment of people in Iraq and elsewhere decide to join the jihan. And the same may be said of young Jewish men who have, at various times, gone to be soldiers in Israel.

And yes, I can empathise with them and know how they feel, and think that had I not been long ago convinced that as a Christian I was also called to be a pacifist, I might have been tempted on some occasions to do something similar.

But I believe it is a temptation to be resisted.

[poliphilo.livejournal.com]

I've never been entirely sure whether I'm a pacifist or not.

I've never been put to the test.

Targeting non-combatants

[methodius.livejournal.com]

In the Spanish Civil War non-combatants werer targeted by both sides, so that is hardly a difference. An AnGlican monk I knew had gone to spain in a non-combatant capacity (before he became a monk), as an ambulance driver or stretcher-beare
r or something, and said that when he saw what anarchists had done to non-combatants, he was never able to take anarchism seriously as a philosophy again. But such atrocities were not confined to one side only. there or in other fields of combat.

Roy Campbell, the South African poet, was often accused of having fascist sympathies (as was J.R.R. Tolkien, a fellow Catholic, and I believe Campbell was peripherally involved with the Inklings at one time). But what appears to have put Campbell off was the atrocities perpetrated by the Republicans, though the bombing of Guernica was a similar atrocity by the Nationalists.

Re: Targeting non-combatants

[(Anonymous)]

You're right, of course. I'm not so naive to think that Muslim terrorists are the ONLY ones in history to deliberately target noncombatants. What I was specifically speaking to, however, is their use of suicide as the means to do it.