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Sharon is "fighting for his life"- that's the reigning cliche. But how do they know? Sharon is in a coma; he's not doing anything- and if he is, it isn't visible to bystanders and certainly not to Our Special Reporter Camped Outside The Hospital (poor sod) or his Anchor. Maybe Sharon is longing to just get on with it and pay the ferryman and is furious with the doctors who are holding him back.

I don't know if the standard is getting worse or it's just that I've tumbled to their tricks, but I'm always catching myself shouting at the newscasters these days.

Date: 2006-01-07 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] butterscotch711.livejournal.com
Australia's ABC, which is in a lot of ways like a child of the BBC, has started using these kind of cliches in its news services, and treating stories in the higly emotive ways that very commercial news services do. Particularly in the last year or two there's been a big shift in the way the ABC does its news, I wonder if it corresponds to any similar shifts at the BBC?

Date: 2006-01-07 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I think the BBC has gone stupider and cheesier but, short of watching lots of vintage news broadcasts from years gone by and making a direct comparison, it's hard to be sure

I turn for relief to Channel 4- which provides an hour long evening news broadcast with substantial interviews and expert analysis.
From: [identity profile] jubal51394.livejournal.com
With my mother I'm a little familiar with it.

The odds are that IF he wakes up he will have considerably less brain function than he needs to be "The Sharon" that the world needs him to be. They are most likely doing everything that they can do and that money can buy. But mostly they are buying time to keep "the world according to Sharon" from falling apart while the understudies scramble.

If his heart is beating and his lungs are working one could define that as "fighting for his life". You don't think that reporters should be saying the truth, which probably reads more like, "He's as good as dead."

You want the news guys to say something radical that might turn the world into chaos before he's even dead, maybe?

Reality sucks and most of us common folk are just not ready for it.
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I don't want them to say "he's as good as dead" because there's the teensiest-weensiest chance that it might not be true.

What I want is less of Our Special Reporter hanging around at the hospital gates mouthing bromides. I want short, dignified medical updates and if there's no new information lets talk about something else.

We saw this same ghoulish deathwatch with Pope John Paul II. I think its lazy and stupid and unpleasant.
From: [identity profile] jubal51394.livejournal.com
Is yours commercial TV? It is unpleasant... agreed... but those guys have to give the public what the public wants. Your problem... and mine... comes from being a bit of a misfit and not part of the average general public. If people like us want to get what we want from the media, we're gonna have to start buying a whole lot more name brand soap and Coca Cola...
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Well no, the BBC is a publicly-funded broadcaster. And Channel 4- which I turn to for intelligent news coverage- is commercial.

I blame institutional inertia. People still watch the news programmes, because they have to get their news from somewhere- so why change a winning formula (even if it is lazy and cliche-ridden and dull)?

But I don't see why TV news can't be both popular and sharp.

From: [identity profile] jubal51394.livejournal.com
"But I don't see why TV news can't be both popular and sharp."

And I don't see why car insurance agents can't be popular and sharp...
My presumption/assumption for both is that it must not be profitable... or they would be. Is it any different there?
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I'm thinking that if someone came up with a fresh new way of presenting the news the public would switch over to it.

News programmes are so staid and dull. They all pretty much use the same formulae. Why do presenters have to sit behind desks for Heaven's sake? Why whenever there's a political story do the reporters have to be filmed in front of the White House or The Houses of Parliament? Why can't it all be more fun?
From: [identity profile] jubal51394.livejournal.com
How did you get so old without getting cynical? I stopped asking questions like this 10 years ago. The answer is always the same. If it were profitable they would do it. Taking risks and doing creative things is financially risky. You and I and a handful of others out there might wish things were different by people like us are never part of their demographic. We just don't buy enough stupid stuff to make us a profitable group to cater to.

It's all about money and greed. It has been for a long, long time. Isn't it there?
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I've led a very sheltered existence.

No, not really- but for some reason it's taken me a very long time to lose my faith in the basic decency of humankind.
From: [identity profile] jubal51394.livejournal.com
Oh, I haven't really lost faith in the decency of humankind... I submit to you that what has changed is that "decent humankind" is no longer the majority... and majority rules. No?

I checked a few of my links and found...

Date: 2006-01-07 06:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jubal51394.livejournal.com
The reigning cliche here is "clinging to life". Interesting difference, huh? We Americans must want something sightly different from you Brits? Ya think? Maybe we have more Jews... Do we?

These are the ones I read. I especially enjoy seeing al jazeera's perspective on all of the very same news. I suspect that the truth is somewhere in between. *S*

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/07/sharon.main/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/06/sharon.main/index.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

I have only the three network news agencies on my TV so I don't bother with televised news anyway. They all tell me the same stuff.

Re: I checked a few of my links and found...

Date: 2006-01-07 06:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
"Clinging", "fighting"- there's a very big difference there.

More Jews? I really don't know. But there is a difference in perspective. The British establishment inclines to greater sympathy with the Palestinians than yours does.

And the British public has never been encouraged to like Sharon.

Re: I checked a few of my links and found...

Date: 2006-01-07 07:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jubal51394.livejournal.com
Well, I'm not sure whether we have been encouraged to like him or not. I'm kind of resistent to such things. I suspect that we have though. Mostly, I think, that we have definitely been encouraged to want peace in Israel and see him one who is working toward that goal and capable of accomplishing it. I do suspect that has something to do with the number of American Jews.

Re: I checked a few of my links and found...

Date: 2006-01-07 09:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
The message I've been getting from the British media is that Sharon has been a lifelong obstacle to peace. I don't know enough about the complexities of the situation to know which angle is closer to the truth.

Ah well.....

Re: I checked a few of my links and found...

Date: 2006-01-07 09:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jubal51394.livejournal.com
I think we were led to believe that too, until he withdrew from Gaza. No one ever expected that and we Yanks, collectively, decided to give him the benefit of the doubt at that point.

Maybe he just mellowed with age? We are now worried that this sudden little step toward peace he took will be a quick step backward the minute he dies.

(My point of view is most likely tainted by media biases here too, though I do check out each point of view and try to sort out the bull from the truth, and my POV is probably the average here.)

Re: I checked a few of my links and found...

Date: 2006-01-07 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Mellowed or maybe decided it was time for a little realism.

Or maybe he was leaned on- heavily- by the guy in the White House.

Oh! NOW we ARE in trouble!

Date: 2006-01-07 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jubal51394.livejournal.com
Anything that depends on the guy in the White House... is a total crap shoot!

Date: 2006-01-07 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dadi.livejournal.com
Hehe..cultural differences. Here in Italy it is "L'agonia di Sharon".. Sharon's agony. Southern folk understand more about just suffering in silence...

Date: 2006-01-07 09:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
What this says about our different cultures is fascinating.

By their clches shall ye know them...

Date: 2006-01-07 07:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lblanchard.livejournal.com
The standard is getting worse.

We used to have the worldwide breathless round-the-clock vigils when great heads of state were in trouble and that was that. Now we have them for every child who tumbles down a well.

That's not to denigrate the personal tragedy of the child and its family. But if you go over the top for everything, what's left when you really need to go over the top? Someone in a coma "fighting for his life", that's what. In a less media-saturated age, he would have been clinging to life, or some such construction tending more to the neutral.

I shout at the news, too, but from the vantage point of my own -isms. How come any time Bush is about to announce some good news, the verb to describe it is never "announces," or "praises," but "trumpets" or "touts", verbs that carry the baggage of flackery? Why can't our allegedly objective media find some objective words to describe what they're describing?

Date: 2006-01-07 09:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I guess some of this is down to rolling 24 hour news services. The controllers are hungry for stories that will play like soaps- just so they can fill up the vast wastes of time they have available.

We got a lot of coverage of those guys who were trapped in the mine. And I was thinking, this is just an intrusion on private grief, it's voyeuristic, it has no possible relevance to the lives of viewers in Britain.

Another thing I hate. Those interviews with victims and witnesses of crimes and catastrophes where they're asked how they feel.....

That's easy...

Date: 2006-01-07 09:39 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
We Yanks, "the average man on the streets" type have a craving for drama. Without the drama we would get bored in 10 seconds and change the channel.

Re: That's easy...

Date: 2006-01-07 09:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jubal51394.livejournal.com
This is still me. I'm getting old and confused.

Re: That's easy...

Date: 2006-01-07 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I don't think we Brits are any different.

"allegedly objective media"

Date: 2006-01-07 09:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jubal51394.livejournal.com
You know anyone claiming to be objective these days? We don't like him anymore, some of us never did, but the polls say we don't now... and it's just more of "giving us what sells soap."

Re: "allegedly objective media"

Date: 2006-01-07 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lblanchard.livejournal.com
Sorry. I don't follow this. Seriously -- I have no idea what you're trying to say here. "We don't like him anymore" -- who's the we you had in mind, and who's the him?

I note that in other comments on this thread you speak a lot about "we Americans." I don't think that anyone can characterize my fellow citizens in so monolithic a fashion. We, meaning you and I, are likely to find that we have many things and common but also many points of difference.

When I was growing up my father, a journalism major, was adamant that opinion belonged on the editorial pages and not in news stories. That has pretty much gone by the boards these days. When an article begins something like, "In a desperate bid to buttress his flagging poll numbers, so-and-so claimed..." it's not reportage, it's opinion, and should be clearly labeled as such and put on the editorial or op-ed page.

This is no longer happening. I'm assuming that the end result will be a jaded public that says "it's all spin" and tries to sift out the bits of fact among the flood of opinion, but I acknowledge that I may be overestimating the capacity for critical thought of many consumers of U.S. media.



Re: "allegedly objective media"

Date: 2006-01-07 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenkay.livejournal.com
You're right about the way that Bush is being treated by the media. I noticed the "trumpets" thing the other day and was astonished for the reasons you note. It definitely expresses an opinion. The only way I could account for it is that all the other, objective news was about how iffy the economy is right now. At the same time, Bush and Cheney are trying to tell people how great it is. It makes them seem even more out of touch than usual.

Re: "allegedly objective media"

Date: 2006-01-07 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lblanchard.livejournal.com
"How iffy the economy is"...?

The Wall Street Journal has been on and on about how all the good news about the economy tends to be buried.

Re: "allegedly objective media"

Date: 2006-01-07 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lblanchard.livejournal.com
Recent months. Sorry I can't be more specific but I didn't know there was going to be a quiz (*grin*).

Re: "allegedly objective media"

Date: 2006-01-07 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenkay.livejournal.com
That's fine. I find that an interesting POV, but forgive me if I don't believe it without seeing the article.

I'm also influenced by IBM's recent announcement that it's ending it's pension plan. While it doesn't affect me--I get no retirement benefits from IBM because I'm not really an employee--I think it expresses a view of the future that is not a rosy one. And it's certainly going to affect the lives of the people who had been depending on those pensions. This is just one example of the kind of thing that's happening all over that makes me feel less than optimistic about the economy.

But then, at this point, I'm not sure what it would take me to feel optimistic about it!

Re: "allegedly objective media"

Date: 2006-01-07 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lblanchard.livejournal.com
It actually has been a recurring theme rather than one particular article. Next one I run across I'll send to you. I'm sure you're not surprised to learn that we subscribe.

Re: "allegedly objective media"

Date: 2006-01-07 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenkay.livejournal.com
No, I'm not surprised. I have subscribed myself from time to time. Hm. I get a free subscription from Audible.com to either the NYT or WSJ... I have listening to the NYT every morning. Maybe I'll try the WSJ.

Date: 2006-01-07 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] happydog.livejournal.com
I don't know if the standard is getting worse or it's just that I've tumbled to their tricks, but I'm always catching myself shouting at the newscasters these days.

I have the same problem, as does my wife, which is why I try to get my news from online or radio. The TV stays pretty much stuck on the Cartoon Network; I don't know if they have that across the pond but it's a 24-hour cartoon channel. It keeps my blood pressure down.

Date: 2006-01-07 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I still make a point of watching the TV news at meal times. I don't really know why because I rarely like what I see. Yes, Radio and the Net are much better sources of information.

My favourite cartoon is Itchy and Scratchy.

Date: 2006-01-07 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cybersofa.livejournal.com
Yes indeed, complete waste of time sending Our Special Reporter to interview Our Middle East Editor outside the hospital, when the only available information was the hospital bulletins which could have been read out by a studio presenter.

The interesting story here is surely Sharon's successor and his ideas and policies, and for that, as ever, you have to listen to the radio.

Date: 2006-01-08 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Exactly.

Sharon is already the past.

I was watching a repeat of The Day Today last night. You'd think the TV journos might have taken some notice of that blazing satire- but it's as if it had never been

Water off a duck's back.

Date: 2006-01-08 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cybersofa.livejournal.com
Damn, wish I'd known that repeat was on. I enjoyed Broken News very much, too.

Date: 2006-01-08 04:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Broken News was good. But what a shame that TV news is still such an easy target for satire.
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Date: 2006-01-08 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
That's one reason why I wish they'd back off. It's tasteless to have the world's press camped round a sick bed like this. The same thing happened with the Pope. All we need are discreet, regular, updates. The cameras don't need to be there at all.

Date: 2006-01-08 05:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silent-mouse.livejournal.com
Oh, how I pity the poor Special Reporter Camped Outside The Hospital! It's raining like crazy outside, cold and windy, and there's no place to hide from it (except going inside, but I suspect they won't let cameras inside, and poor Special Reporters seem to have to go on air every other second or so).
A friend of mine, one of those Special Reporters Camped Outside The Hospital (or at leat one of the reporters that sent the first night there), says that the media has to keep up with the public's constantly growing appetite for news, even though there are no news (and he personally hates it, as it makes him to lose sleep and get wet for nothing). But I'm not sure about the public's appetite - most people I know don't need the 24-hours live broadcast from the hospital entrance. Or maybe people I know do not represent the regular "public"?

Date: 2006-01-08 07:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I don't see how anyone could be particularly enthused by endless sequences of our SPCOTH standing in the cold and wet with nothing very much to say. If I wanted to gaze at hospitals there's a very nice one down the road. And I'd be getting it in 3D with full stereo sound.



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