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The newly appointed Archbishop of York, John Sentamu, has given an interview attacking homophobia in the church. Good for him!

And now for a little reflected glory. I was at college with the guy- Westcott house, Cambridge, 1973-76. Trouble is the glory ends there- I can't come up with a single anecdote- I guess we just didn't move in the same circles. (Actually, I didn't move in any circles at all- I was more the moody, doomed, outsider type.) I remember him as cheerful and toothy- and somewhere in the archives there's a photograph of his equally cheerful wife, Margaret, enjoying a picnic lunch with my first wife, Becky, on the lawn of the old vicarage where we had our student digs.

(Ah, the old vicarage! It was a tumble-down ruin- it's been demolished since- but it had a garden full of the most amazing, long-established apple-trees, including some rare if not otherwise extinct Victorian varieties.)

Sentamu has a reputation for standing up to dictators. He came to Cambridge as a refugee from Idi Amin's Uganda and recently opposed Tony Blair's war in Iraq. It doesn't seem as if time and high office have blanded him out any.

So, well done the Church of England! Now how about appointing some women bishops?

Date: 2005-06-20 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
Our parish vestry mailed out surveys last week. Our names were printed on the front, and we were asked to sign them and turn them in.

The vestry (and more particularly, the clergy) wants to know if we would be willing to leave the Episcopal Church and join the American Anglicans as a protest against the Episcopal Church's election of the gay bishop.

They want a head count.

I turned mine in.

If our parish pulls out, as much as it will break my heart I will go to the cathedral and sing there with my sister.

Date: 2005-06-20 07:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
It seems so obvious to me where the right of the matter lies.

Did Jesus utter a single word in condemnation of homosexuality? No, he didn't.

The Anglican communion has a long history of tolerating homosexuality by pretending it doesn't exist. A high percentage of Anglican clergy are gay. Many are flagrantly camp. Many live quietly but unapologetically with their lovers. The traditional stance isn't particularly heroic, but it is humane and in the best tradition of "English" spirituality- as voiced by Elizabeth I- of not wishing to possess "a window into men's souls".

By electing an openly gay bishop ECUSA has swept aside the veil of pretence and hypocrisy and acknowledged the reality of the situation.

I hope your parish does the decent thing and stays within the fold.


Date: 2005-06-20 07:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
I hope your parish does the decent thing and stays within the fold.


I hope so, too. I want to stay, because I love the choir, but I will leave if they leave the Episcopal Church.

My sister has wanted me at the Cathedral for years.

Date: 2005-06-20 09:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I think it's a shame that the church should tear itself apart over this issue.

Why is sexual morality such a big thing for modern Christians? It isn't as if it were a particularly big thing in the New Testament. Jesus and Paul took questions of social justice far more seriously.

Date: 2005-06-20 09:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
As I understand it (and I'm so unpolitical my head swims trying to figure out which conference said what), the issue as stated by my own clergyman is that it isn't about the gay bishop but about the Episcopal church defying church doctrine, which apparently states that only heterosexuals can marry and that homosexuals can't be ordained.

But that's a ridiculous argument. Of course it's about the gay bishop.

We need to change the docrine, so there won't be any "heretics."

Seems easy to me. But I know it's not so simple, and that the church may well queep and die over this pig-headed stand on both sides.

Date: 2005-06-21 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
"Of course it's about the gay bishop."

Exactly. It's about homophobia.

The Church has never been averse to adapting its doctrine when commonsense or self interest dictated. The Bible is very tough on the sin of "usury", but that never prevented the Church Commissioners from investing the Church's money on the stock market or the Vatican from running a bank.

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