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...I'm unhappy with my version of the fourth truth. It contains too much interpretation. In the original Buddha is recommending the Eightfold Way- by which he means "right thinking", "right action" etc- without defining what he means by "right".

So here's a second version:

1  Life is hard

2  Because we're always wanting things.

3  Stop wanting things.

4  Lead a good life.

Date: 2013-02-13 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sambeth.livejournal.com
But what if you want things like food, or water, or relief from pain? Blister plasters? You know, proper stuff, not nail varnish and sofa covers. Ill and hungry people are the grumpiest of all, in my experience, and no wonder - you can't just 'stop' feeling pain/thirst/hunger.

Date: 2013-02-13 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I was thinking about this. Gautama was a prince. I think he may have been taking basic human needs for granted.
Edited Date: 2013-02-13 03:42 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-02-13 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wyrmwwd.livejournal.com
He was not always a prince. It was his coming to grips with human suffering that led to his Enlightenment.

Date: 2013-02-13 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Now I'm remembering....

Date: 2013-02-13 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wyrmwwd.livejournal.com
I have been told by both Buddhists and Jains that the movie "Little Buddha" is a good introduction into the tradition.

Date: 2013-02-14 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Yes- that's what I'm remembering.

Keanu Reeves- born to play Buddha!

Date: 2013-02-13 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com
. . . no, not really. One idea is that a human being can detach from actual needs. If one does so, one is a Buddha or Bodhisattva.

How does a Buddhist monk set him or herself on fire as a protest? Or go through the process of self-mummification, which is a process of deliberately starving oneself in a ritual manner to leave a preserved corpse? By being detached from the needs of the body, like the need to "not be on fire" or "not starve to death by drinking nothing but a lacquer-based tea that will mummify the tissues from the inside."

Date: 2013-02-14 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ccord.livejournal.com
Ah, well the original wording is "trishna", which has more the connotation of "clinging attachment", rather than a wanting for the normal necessities of life. At the one end, it applies to the whole range of unnecessary desires which one, for instance, bequeaths the status of "needs", and thereby obsesses over. Clinging attachment to other human beings, to things, or to particular diversions are the usual examples, but also attachment to self-image, illusions, and such.





Date: 2013-02-17 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sambeth.livejournal.com
Okay, that makes much more sense.

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