Expand Cut Tags

No cut tags
poliphilo: (corinium)
[personal profile] poliphilo
Well, it's mostly down to Shakespeare, isn't it? 

Firstly because his Richard is a fascinating monster and we can't get enough of him.

Secondly because we know the real man is being traduced and this makes us sorry for him and want to work for his rehabilitation.

So Richard wins both ways: (a) because Shakespeare's version of him is so brilliant and (b) because it's so unjust. 

Date: 2013-02-03 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com
In this piece, Michael Anderson comments that Richard III is "Shakespeare's first great comedy."

Date: 2013-02-03 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
That's great fun.

Thanks!

Date: 2013-02-04 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] all-unnecessary.livejournal.com
This has been cracking me up for two days now.

Re: Thanks!

Date: 2013-02-04 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com
It never stops being funny. It's been cracking me up for years, now.

Date: 2013-02-03 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lblanchard.livejournal.com
That's as succinct a summation of the issue as I've seen. The real Richard was probably, as someone once put it, "just your average bloodstained fifteenth-century toughie." But not as bloodstained as Shakespeare would have it.

Date: 2013-02-03 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
If a medieval king wasn't a toughie he went to the wall- like the sainted Henry VI. I haven't read deeply but I get the impression Richard was- as toughies go- a pretty good egg.
Edited Date: 2013-02-03 04:21 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-02-04 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lblanchard.livejournal.com
They released a photo of the skull -- it has an underbite consistent with depiction on the Society of Antiquaries' "arched frame" portrait.

Date: 2013-02-04 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Yes, I just saw that. I'm impatient to see the facial reconstruction.

Date: 2013-02-04 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lblanchard.livejournal.com
There's a pretty uncanny resemblance between the arched portrait and photos I've seen of Michael Ibsen -- particularly around the lips, jaw, and chin.

Date: 2013-02-04 08:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
But even with all the Ricardian apologetics, there's no getting away from the fact that he murdered his way to the throne (admittedly, he wasn't the first or the last to do that).

Date: 2013-02-04 09:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Killing people is what kings (and presidents and prime ministers) do for a living.

Date: 2013-02-04 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lblanchard.livejournal.com
Right. His big brother wasn't exactly saintly. Nor his successor (not to mention the rest of the Tudors).

Henry VII knew how to deal with troublesome young relatives. Keep them in the Tower until they're no longer children, and THEN kill them.

Date: 2013-02-04 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
Or in Henry VIII's case find everyone with Plantagenet blood and kill them, except Cardinal Pole, naturally, as he was unlikely to be any threat on the breeding front.

Date: 2013-02-05 11:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
If the choice lies between a murder or two and future civil unrest it could be argued that the murders are morally justified.

Date: 2013-02-04 10:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shewhomust.livejournal.com
There's the portrait, as well.

Date: 2013-02-04 11:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I find it an attractive image. He looks nervy and sensitive. I like the way he seems to fiddling with his pinkie ring.

Profile

poliphilo: (Default)
poliphilo

January 2026

S M T W T F S
     1 23
4 5 6 7 8 910
1112 13 14 15 16 17
18192021222324
25262728293031

Most Popular Tags

Style Credit

Page generated Jan. 19th, 2026 05:04 am
Powered by Dreamwidth Studios