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Jan. 11th, 2009 11:58 am
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I felt a momentary twinge of shame as we were gathering our books together after the service. If I hadn't been so wilfull when my marriage broke up and my faith collapsed- if I hadn't walked away- I could have been a part of this always. In fact I could have been up there at the business end of the church conducting the service this very morning. But , then again, if I had toughed out the crisis I wouldn't have put myself in the way of gaining wisdom- or at least not the kind of wisdom I have now- and I probably wouldn't have met Ailz (though I'm not so sure about that). So- no- I'm not going to apologise for the choices I made- destructive though some of them were.  They brought me to where I am now.  As the Blessed Julian says, "Sin is behovely".

I just looked that word up to make sure it means what I think it means. It does. It means something like "proper and right and befitting our station." (Great word- what a pity it's slipped out of common usage!) We're here in the flesh to learn, and if we didn't sin we wouldn't learn.  When we accept incarnation we accept that we're going to make some bloody awful mistakes- and that this is allowed for in God's economy.  The full quotation- which I know from Eliot (of course) and not from reading the Revelations of Divine Love- is "Sin is behovely, but all shall be well and all shall be well and all manner of thing shall be well."

I was a lousy priest.  Perhaps that's harsh- but I was very young and gauche and I didn't get what it was all about- not at all. The church didn't really lose much when it lost me.

There was a baptism this morning- of a young mother and her baby son.  Baptism is about belonging- and belonging is good. We can't do this job on our own. It's like we're in a caravan making our way across the desert. We keep one another's spirits up as we swing along together. There's strength in numbers.

All through the latter part of the service I had a very strong sense of being surrounded by those numbers- and not just by the  visible community in the pews around me- but by the communion of saints, the companionable spirits, friends, guides, comforters, fellow pilgrims.  I've no doubt that there were very many souls in that building that we couldn't see. No doubt at all.

So how come I never felt that in the past when it was my business to preach it- but I can feel it now?  If I'd have been able to feel it then I'd never have left.  Ah, but then, again- back to where we started- perhaps I was meant to leave.....
From: [identity profile] saare-snowqueen.livejournal.com
You could be talking about me. As a young woman I was under considerable pressure to become a teacher. At that age and through my 30's I would have been a lousy teacher; for most of the same reasons you outline. It took an awful lot of growing up, many wrong turns and much licking of wounds before I achieved the knowledge, tolerance and patience to meet the needs of young adult learners.
It might interest you to know that the Estonian word for priest or minister is öpetaja = teacher.
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Certain jobs demand wisdom- which the young mostly don't have.

If the Estonians use the same word for priest and teacher it must affect how they see those two professions. If a clasroom teacher is seen as somehow "priestly" does it mean she gets more respect?
From: [identity profile] jubal51394.livejournal.com
Age has it's privileges... and youth is TRULY wasted on the young? ;)

Date: 2009-01-11 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] methodius.livejournal.com
You drive down a road into a valley, and in the distance you can see the road ahead, winding up the side of the hill opposite, and then when you get down to the bottom of the hill, hidden among the trees, is another road, and you know that is the one you are meant to take.

Date: 2009-01-11 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haikujaguar.livejournal.com
Dear me, dear [livejournal.com profile] polipholio! You have just given a remarkably Sunday morning homily to me. Thank you. :)

Date: 2009-01-11 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunfell.livejournal.com
You're on the Spiral Path- coming back to where you were, but with another layer of understanding and wisdom to help you discern things.

I'm doing the same thing- returning to my own metaphysical practice and study. Whether or not I'll create another working group remains up in the air- some friends of mine want to start a Lodge. It would have to be a very small and very private Lodge.
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Age has to have something going in its favour...:)

Date: 2009-01-11 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
What a pleasant way of putting it.

Life is full of surprises. If you'd told me a couple of years ago that I'd be thinking as I am now I would have been totally incredulous.

Date: 2009-01-11 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Once a parson, always a parson :)

Date: 2009-01-11 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Or as Eliot says,

We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.

Maybe it's time for you to start working with others again. I imagine you'll get a sign or two if it is.

Date: 2009-01-11 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mummm.livejournal.com
It sounds to me like your life has gone the proper direction for you. It's very behovely. (I'll try using that word a few times and see if it sticks with me!)

Date: 2009-01-11 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I wonder what it takes to get an archaic word back into current usage. The verb "behoves" is still employed, so why not "behovely"?

Date: 2009-01-11 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mummm.livejournal.com
I'm not sure what could be done. Our language is constantly in flux.
The word does not slide easily off of the tongue though. I tried saying it a few times.

Date: 2009-01-11 06:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
They brought me to where I am now.

Which seems a good place to be.

(And what you thought you came for
Is only a shell, a husk of meaning
From which the purpose breaks only when it is fulfilled
If at all. Either you had no purpose
Or the purpose is beyond the end you figured
And is altered in fulfilment.
)

Great word- what a pity it's slipped out of common usage!

Use it! There's no other way to get words back into the language.

Date: 2009-01-11 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com
What I find most powerful about this is the sense of the fullness of time in your life: the moment having come, you again go to the church, and it is new to you this way. It must be what had to happen--who knows?--for you to meet Ailz? Among other things--or not--but paths not followed finally don't matter, I think.

What will be next in your life? How interesting that you have set out on this surprising pilgimage-I look forward to seeing what will happen next-

Date: 2009-01-11 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daisytells.livejournal.com
This is an amazing faith-journey testimony. It stirs me deeply. One of my other LJ friends is doing a spiritual "Walk to Rivendell" which is about her continuing faith-journey, which also hits me where I live.
We had no church today. The heavy snowstorm made it impossible for our pastor to come into town from the suburb where he lives. This post of yours more than compensates for missing church today.
Please continue to communicate as you follow your path.
Amazing!

Date: 2009-01-11 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ideealisme.livejournal.com
Try the Catholics? They're looking ;-))

Date: 2009-01-11 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
A good place? Yes, it seems to be.

Eliot won't leave me alone. Little Gidding in particular.

Behovely is a valuable word, with no precise modern equivalent.

Date: 2009-01-11 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
"I look forward to seeing what will happen next".

So do I. I certainly wasn't expecting this particular development- though now it's happened it seems entirely right.

Date: 2009-01-11 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Thank you.

It makes me happy to know my writing has some use.

From: [identity profile] saare-snowqueen.livejournal.com
I wish!!!!!! Maybe in the old days - really old days, during the German Rittenshaft period. Estonia has a lot of its educational structure from pre-WWI Germany. That's both good and bad.

Date: 2009-01-11 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oakmouse
Sometimes you have to leave a place in order to come to understand what it means to you. It sounds to me as though that's what you've done, anyway. Congratulations!

My name is...

Date: 2009-01-12 07:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikesmaddie.livejournal.com
...Olga. And I'm a friend of [livejournal.com profile] aellia's.

From reading your profile, you sound like quite a fascinating person.

And so, I was wondering if it would be all right to add you?

God bless and take care. :).
Olga/Maddie

Re: My name is...

Date: 2009-01-12 07:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cataptromancer.livejournal.com
A remarkably written and though-provoking post, thank you. It's wonderful to think how much wisdom is in that little line of Dame Julian's, and how much thinking it's provoked over the years.

Re: My name is...

Date: 2009-01-12 07:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cataptromancer.livejournal.com
Oops. Also I'm tired. This was meant to be a comment on the post, not on that particular comment...

Date: 2009-01-12 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Catholicism ain't my tradition. And I find it hard to take the papacy the least bit seriously.

Date: 2009-01-12 10:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Thanks.

I left the church over 20 years ago. It's been a long, long process.

Re: My name is...

Date: 2009-01-12 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Pleased to meet you, Olga/Maddie.

I'll be adding you back. :)

Re: My name is...

Date: 2009-01-12 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I tell myself I should read the whole book- but I never seem to get round to it.

It's a wonderful line- one of the most beautiful in the language.

Date: 2009-01-12 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ideealisme.livejournal.com
"And I find it hard to take the papacy the least bit seriously."

So do most Catholics - no problem there then! (Catholicism is one of those religions that can be almost anything you want it to be - most Irish people would f*** unmarried partners, eat meat on Fridays, and roll into church once a year at Christmas and cheerfully call themselves Catholics.)

And there's the incense. Nothing like a bit of wafty incense. Tho the High Anglicans went and nicked that too!

But yeah, I see your point :)

Date: 2009-01-12 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
I do like incense. It was one of the excellent things about being a Wiccan.

Re: My name is...

Date: 2009-01-12 02:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mamadar.livejournal.com
It's not a big book, the Revelations--even the Long Text. For the substance of it, laid out in a way that's good for meditation, I recommend Sheila Upjohn's All Shall Be Well.

Re: My name is...

Date: 2009-01-12 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Thank you for the suggestion.

Right now I'm slowly working my way through Sir Thomas Browne's Religio Medici. Maybe Dame Julian should be next on my list of English spiritual classics.

Date: 2009-01-12 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] margaretarts.livejournal.com

Thanks so much. You've given me enough for my own post today. Go see (in a few minutes)....

Date: 2009-01-12 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com
Splendid. I look forward to seeing what you have to say.

It's very nice...

Date: 2009-01-13 07:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikesmaddie.livejournal.com
...to meet you, as well. *big smile*

Thanks for adding me on here.

And I've added you back.

God bless and take care. :).
Olga/Maddie

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