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I think we need to be clear where ideas come from. 

Especially religious ideas.

If an idea can be demonstrated in some way- by logic, weight of evidence etc- it may not matter who's voicing it.

But if it's one of those ideas that comes out of a clear blue sky accompanied by angel voices- promising fulfilment, enlightenment, God's favour or whatever- I think we need to ask, "says who?"

And the follow up question- once we've ascertained the identity of the prophet- is, "what 's in it for him?"

Because the unfortunate fact is that religious prophets- of every stripe- tend to be lying, abusive, power-hungry SOBs.

I'm not saying they all are- just most of them. 

It may be true- as [profile] michaleen argues- that Carlos Castenada's spiritual system stands apart from the man who invented it. 

After all, that was my view of  Wicca.  Gerald Gardner was a mischievous old chap with a taste for  nudism and masochism who invented a religion to service his needs- but it escaped from him and became something bigger and better and more interesting than he'd envisaged. 

Knowing the history, I could make the ideas  my own. And play with them. Just as Gardner himself did.  

So, by all means develop a spirituality based upon a reading of Castaneda- but, unless you want to be flying blind,  be aware that the man was a liar, a con-man and a total shit.

Or- to use Biblical language- "test the spirits".

And really we should be doing that with the mainstream religions as well. Muhammed was a middle-eastern warlord who massacred populations and ran a harem. Jesus was- well- Jesus doesn't actually show up in the historical record and may be a fictional construct. 

Even the best of prophets is conditioned by time and place and culture.

Accept nothing on authority. Know where the teacher is coming from. Take back the power.

Date: 2007-02-04 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saare-snowqueen.livejournal.com
"It may be true- as michaleen argues- that Carlos Castenada's spiritual system stands apart from the man who invented it."

That's like saying that Scientology can be separated from the pompous, egotistical, opportunistic, hypocrite that was L. Ron Hubbard

Date: 2007-02-04 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunfell.livejournal.com
I'm putting this in my Memories. Mind if I link to your post?

The glass is half-empty approach

Date: 2007-02-04 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solar-diablo.livejournal.com
How sad is it that the one prophet you could think of without a black mark against his character is the one prophet whose historical existence is debated?

Date: 2007-02-15 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaysho.livejournal.com
It shows how much Wicca has evolved from its source that I've heard of Wicca and know a few people who practise it, but I'd never heard Gerald Gardner's name before this post. :)

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