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poliphilo ([personal profile] poliphilo) wrote2007-01-18 10:58 am

The Future Of Democracy

There was a film last night about the bloggers who brought down Joe Lieberman in the Connecticut primary. OK. I thought, no contest. People power. I know which side I'm cheering for.

But.

While Lieberman is a machine politician and a sell-out, the empty-eyed smoothiechops they had running against him had nothing going for him except that he was rich and not Joe Lieberman.

And then there were the bloggers themselves. You know what? My idea of a blogger is the sort of person I meet on LJ- independent, quirky, individual, committed to the art of writing, happy to be in a place where  there's no editorial control and one can say what the hell one wants- no matter how silly, far-out, erudite, obscene, strange or uncommercial.

But these people were sweaty and had stary eyes. They didn't care about words.

And there was this brutish, young man- who wore his hat the wrong way round and never took it off, not even in church- who was organisinhg them, feeding them stories, telling them what to say. 

A whipper-in of hounds.

So there were the bloggers, a whole posse of them,  with their camcorders, following Lieberman around, hoping to catch him saying or doing something daft, smirking and smugging and egging one another on and it slowly dawned on me that I hated them. As someone said in inteview- maybe it was Christopher Hitchens- they'd become a mob.

A gang of peasants with torches and pitchforks.

And what they were blogging was mainly abuse. Not, clever, witty, analytical or anything like that. Stupid stuff.

Then one of them- a blogger of national celebrity who can count on getting a million hits a day- published a photoshopped image of Lieberman in black face. Why? Because the mind of a mob is constantly pushing the envelope of stupid. 

And there was a surge of support for Lieberman.

In the end Lieberman lost the primary but went on to win the race as an independent. Something had changed and nothing had changed. We'd seen the future of democracy and it was just like the past-

Graceless and ugly.

Im sorry Tony but...

[identity profile] seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 12:00 pm (UTC)(link)
do you know joe lieberman that you call
him a machine politician and a sellout?
if so and if you have reason on this knowledge
then it is fair...
if not then is it other than an example of
something just a tiny bit
...well your word 'graceless and ugly' to
speak in this way of a man you do not know
except that you disagree with him on some
matter of public policy?
all that I have heard of this man on a personal
level is of an honorable good man so I am
replying to this with a little surprise and
disappointment...

[identity profile] seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess to put it more strongly
is anyone who does not agree to your
political views a sellout?
surely this does not do justice to
what I have felt of you through
your journal, and I think rightly felt.
so perhaps you have some personal
knowledge of this man?

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 12:14 pm (UTC)(link)
No, you've got me bang to rights. My knowledge of Lieberman is gracelessly superficial. I am angry at him for supporting the Iraq war. I find it hard to believe that anyone who seriously weighed up the issues involved could have honestly thought it a good idea...

...a double needed

[identity profile] seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 12:19 pm (UTC)(link)
stupidity could account for many wrong
opinions if so they are...:)
or ,I dont know, just the craziness of this
world and life through which we are speeding
where so many choices are hard or lunatic...
again sorry for my sort of 'moral high ground'
answer which is a sure way of being offensive
in and of itself...

recall fella I mentioned other day fr Peter
of Wyszinski U. Pol Sci observing that there is
no way to go through our days without hurting
and being hurt.

sad thing when you think of it.

uh make mine a double Jameson then if you would. :)

Re: ...a double needed

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 12:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Fr. Peter is right.

Politicians are people who put themselves in a position where the hurting they do is on an industrial scale.

It's dirty work, but someone has to do it.

[identity profile] shewhomust.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, it's always good to be reminded that the word "blogger" covers a whole lot of different people.

But I'm just wondering who made the film?

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
It was directed by James Rogan for the British production company Brook Lapping and shown last night on BBC 4 in the Storyville slot.

umm rereading yours

[identity profile] seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 12:14 pm (UTC)(link)
rereading yours I think I should
have evaluated more that you were
saying
"yes Lieberman is not one of us etc
[machine politician and sellout]
but we do a disservice to democracy
by trying to bring him down in this
style so graceless and ugly"

and of course I agree to that larger
point and it is an honorable one and
I guess even your characterization of
Lieberman is ,for discourse from the left
(or maybe in a similar case from the right),
mild or in any case is secondary.
forgive my haste...
just it seems to me ,I am open to correction
but,that this is a good and honorable man
so I was defensive.

Re: umm rereading yours

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 12:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I honour your defence of Joe Lieberman. It's his policies I hate, not the man himself. I accept that he may, in person, be perfectly decent human being.

I have to say that there was nothing in the film that suggested Lieberman is (to use shorthand) a bad man. The focus was on his opponents- and they did not appear in a flattering light.

[identity profile] karenkay.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 12:58 pm (UTC)(link)
The liberal bloggers are no better than the conservative ones; I think both camps are full of wackos.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 01:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Full of sheep as well. And from the evidence presented last night few of them can actually write.

[identity profile] karenkay.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 01:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I write for a living, and I can't imagine someone reading my output every day. Even journalists write short, focused pieces, but bloggers seems to blather on.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 02:22 pm (UTC)(link)
My impression was that none of these people had anything very interesting to say.

[identity profile] karenkay.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
But millions of people read them every day!

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Just as they "read" tabloid newspapers and watch trash TV.

People have no taste.....

[identity profile] michaleen.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't seen the film and to be honest I suspect you're being both fair and accurate in your assessment of at least some of the bloggers that helped bring down Joe Lieberman in the Connecticut primary. That said, I think characterizing "Holy Joe" as "a machine politician and a sell-out" is to give the man far too much credit.

In what machine is he a happy little cog? To what interests, both foreign and domestic, has he sold his constitutional duty? The answers to these questions, I think, rob Lieberman of any deserved sympathy.

Here in the States, we don't have a democracy - thank Goddess. What we have are the decaying remains of a once promising republic and in recent years men like Lieberman have done much to pry up what little remains of its foundations. Had that stary-eyed mob come after Holy Joe with real "torches and pitchforks", I trust my humanity would have objected to their stringing him up from a lamppost on Pennsylvania Ave. But in what scales does one weigh the travesty that is the "Great War On Terror", which the man has promoted and cheered at every turn, against the loss of one unctuous shill like Lieberman?

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 02:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I know little more of Lieberman than we saw in the film.

But I'm with you on the "War on Terror". I think it's a Big Lie- in the shadow of which great crimes have been committed. And I don't see how intelligent men and women with access to the unspun evidence could ever have believed that the case for invading Iraq was valid.

[identity profile] michaleen.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 03:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Lieberman has a long and well-documented history of war mongering. Here's part of a statement he delivered on the floor of the Senate, 13 September 2002:

On September 11th, 2001, a foreboding new chapter in American history began. On that day our government was reawakened in this new century to its oldest and most solemn responsibility: protecting the lives and liberty of the American people. As we survey the landscape of threats to our security in the years ahead, the greatest are terrorists like Al Qaeda and rogue regimes like Saddam Hussein's. Saddam hates America and Americans and is working furiously to accumulate deadly weapons of mass destruction, and the missiles, planes, and unmanned aerial vehicles to use in attacking distant targets.

Every day Saddam remains in power is a day of danger for the Iraqi people, for Iraq's neighbors, for the American people, and for the world. As long as Saddam remains in power, there will be no genuine security, and no lasting peace in the Middle East among the Arab nations, or between the Arabs, Israelis, and Christians who live there.

The threat Saddam poses has been articulated so often that some may have grown numbed to the reality of his brutality. But after September 11th, we must reacquaint ourselves with it, because if we do not understand and act, his next victims, like Osama bin Laden's, could be innocent Americans.


There's more tub thumping and preening over his past calls for military action in the rest of his speech, which you may read for yourself, here:

Senator Joe Lieberman Floor Statement on Iraq

When it comes right down to it, Lieberman worked as hard as anyone in Washington, Republican or Democrat, to bind the need for revenge for the terrorist attacks of 2001 to his long-standing desire to eliminate Saddam Hussein.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, at least he's been consistent.

Thanks for sending me this. It tells me all we really need to know about the guy.


[identity profile] michaleen.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
You're most welcome.

And thanks for tolerating my little tirade so graciously. For all the good it does, at least it feels good to vent a bit, sometimes.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Venting is one of the things LJ is for.

[identity profile] four-thorns.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
"a sell-out, the empty-eyed smoothiechops"

you can't possibly be referring to ned lamont? he had a lot of things going for him. namely, he actually supported things like abortion rights and women's rights and he opposed the war. you know, things an actual democrat would do. the reason lieberman lost the primary is because he votes like a republican. he didn't always, but he's become extremely conservative and by the time of the election was really a democrat in name only. that's why people hated him.

"this brutish, young man- who wore his hat the wrong way round and never took it off, not even in church"

(again, assuming you're referring to ned lamont)if you care more about how and where he wears his hat than you do about the policies he stands for-- well, for one thing, you're getting old, and two, that strikes me as being just as silly as supporting him because he's "rich and not joe lieberman".

it was graceless of lieberman to run as an independent after he lost the primary. rather than accepting defeat, he risked the possibility of helping the republican in the election and costing the democrats a senate seat at a time when they needed every possible seat to try and get a majority. and now he's the swing vote in the senate, which galls me to no end. the democrats need him in order have a majority, but now that he's an "independent" he's using the possibility that he could side with the republicans to lord it over them. the only things lieberman stands for anymore are himself and israel (which i don't believe is actually being made safer by the policies that lieberman supports; far from it)

i usually enjoy your characterizations of politics, and as much as i agree with you about the blogosphere, i think you have this very mischaracterized.

[identity profile] four-thorns.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
ah... now i see. you got this from a film. let me revise: your characterization of the film, i suspect, is dead-on. but the film is wrong about how things really were.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2007-01-18 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, yes: I was going off my impressions from the film. Lamont seemed clueless, out of his depth- a nice enough bloke who didn't seem to understand quite what he'd got himself into.

The guy in the hat was someone else entirely- an ex-marine who'd appointed himself co-ordinator of the blogging campaign.

If I'd had a vote in that election I would certainly have voted Lamont. I'd have voted for a chimp if he was pro-abortion and against the war.

[identity profile] jackiejj.livejournal.com 2007-01-20 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
When I begin to forget where I am here, I write: "Dear Diary..." to remind myself that I am writing onto my monitor instead of in a book...

Lieberman is sure sounding like a Republican to me.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2007-01-20 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
The activists in Connecticut were particularly incensed by footage of Bush kissing Lieberman at some meet 'n greet event and one of them made a carnival float with papier mache heads of Bush and Lieberman in a clinch and drove it all over the State. After the results came in one of the bloggers joked that Lieberman had been defeated by two papier mache heads and a bunch of geeky kids.