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poliphilo ([personal profile] poliphilo) wrote2026-01-15 08:38 am

How They Spoke

 Judy is reading a time travel story which has modern day people going back to 1914- and it's annoying her that the dialogue the author gives his Georgians to speak feels really "off".

Yeah, well, but how did people speak in 1914? What's our evidence?

It's almost entirely literary. And literary dialogue has been cleaned up, tidied up, rendered, well, literary. And, anyway, we can't know whether any particular writer had a good ear for dialogue or not. 

Did anyone ever speak like Oscar Wilde's people- except, perhaps, Oscar himself? Was the speech of Irish peasants half as as colourful as the stuff Synge puts in their mouths? Going back a bit further, did Dickens's Cockneys really transpose their "v"s and "w"s and if so when did they stop?

And how did people cuss during the Great War? Someone a while back was protesting that is was wildly anachronistic to have soldiers saying "fuck" in the movie 1917- and it piqued my interest, so I dug. Turns out they certainly did- all the fucking time- only you wouldn't know it from most of the contemporary novels, memoirs and plays.

Accuracy bows before good manners. It does in our time too. Stick a microphone in front of someone's face and they'll start minding their "p"s and "q"s. There's a lot more casual casual racism (the taboo of our times) in the speech of the streets than shows up in the record that will be available to our grand kids....
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[personal profile] cmcmck 2026-01-15 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, Cockneys did transpose their V's and W's although I'm not sure when it stopped.
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[personal profile] sovay 2026-01-15 12:42 pm (UTC)(link)
And how did people cuss during the Great War?

If you have not already read Frederic Manning's Her Privates We (1929) in your researches, I recommend it in the strongest terms, which are pretty strong when not bowdlerized for publication.
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[personal profile] paserbyp 2026-01-15 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed, specially about Irish peasants language compare with anything else…
Edited 2026-01-15 17:11 (UTC)
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[personal profile] haertstitch 2026-01-15 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
during, in war
the less spoken was better
a stray word would kill you.

the people fighting ice
haven't figured it out
and its killing them.
they need to make use of silence.

remembering Hemingway
for words

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[personal profile] haertstitch 2026-01-15 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
he was primed
should not have been doing the job
still reacting to the last incident

the wife tried to show concern
but did a crappy ass job of it

the whole mess just was set up

bet the guy disappears